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Originally posted by Oceanklassik View PostI've to agree that it seems to be the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 (SS model), to be the no. 1, whether it's in demand, price or resale value. Recently came across a two years' old, overseas set, selling at 49K at a grey dealer... this is taking into consideration the retail price is only $32,700.
To my limited knowledge of watches, I would see it this way:
1. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 (SS) - RRP $32,700; resale up to $49K
2. ROLEX Daytona 116500 (SS) - RRP $16,660; resale up to $26K
3. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Extra-Thin 15202 (SS) - RRP around low $30K; resale about same price
4. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 (SS/blue) - RRP $24,900; resale up to $30K
5. Patek Philippe Aquanaut 5167A-001 (SS/rubber) - RRP $25K; resale up to $31K
6. ROLEX Daytona 116520 (SS/discon) - Last RRP $16,100; resale up to $25K
7. ROLEX Submariner 16610LV (SS/discon/"kermit") - Last RRP around $9K; resale up to $15K
8. ROLEX GMT-MasterII 16710 (SS/discon/"pepsi") - Last RRP around $7K; resale up to $14K
9. ROLEX Submariner 116610LV (SS/green) - RRP $12,150; resale up to $16K
10. ROLEX GMT-MasterII 116710BLNR (SS) - RRP $12,010; resale up to $14K
11. ROLEX Sea-Dweller 126600 (SS/43mm) - RRP $15,250; resale up to $18K
12. ROLEX Sea-Dweller 4000 116600 (SS/discon) - Last RRP $13,990; resale up to $16K
13. ROLEX Submariner 116610LN (SS) - RRP $11,440; resale up to $13K
14. ROLEX Sea-Dweller 16600 (SS/discon) - Last RRP around $8.8K; resale up to $10K
15. ROLEX Submariner 14060M (SS/discon) - Last RRP around $8K+; resale about same price
16. ROLEX Submariner 16610LN (SS/discon) - Last RRP around $8K+; resale up to $12K
Some of the above figures are estimates, but quoted by some dealers over a period of about a year.
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Originally posted by Oceanklassik View PostYa, maybe that too for now. Saw a dealer in Carousell selling about 3K above a white dial version at nearly $26K... and the retail price is only $19,340.
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I hope Rolex releases the Pepsi in stainless steel this Basel World 2018. This should be the most popular new model ever, surpassing the DaytonaC
On a side note, Rolex has not released any new Sub for a few years now. Maybe we will get a new colour Sub?
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Originally posted by Oceanklassik View PostI've to agree that it seems to be the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 (SS model), to be the no. 1, whether it's in demand, price or resale value. Recently came across a two years' old, overseas set, selling at 49K at a grey dealer... this is taking into consideration the retail price is only $32,700.
To my limited knowledge of watches, I would see it this way:
1. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 (SS) - RRP $32,700; resale up to $49K
2. ROLEX Daytona 116500 (SS) - RRP $16,660; resale up to $26K
3. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Extra-Thin 15202 (SS) - RRP around low $30K; resale about same price
4. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 (SS/blue) - RRP $24,900; resale up to $30K
5. Patek Philippe Aquanaut 5167A-001 (SS/rubber) - RRP $25K; resale up to $31K
6. ROLEX Daytona 116520 (SS/discon) - Last RRP $16,100; resale up to $25K
7. ROLEX Submariner 16610LV (SS/discon/"kermit") - Last RRP around $9K; resale up to $15K
8. ROLEX GMT-MasterII 16710 (SS/discon/"pepsi") - Last RRP around $7K; resale up to $14K
9. ROLEX Submariner 116610LV (SS/green) - RRP $12,150; resale up to $16K
10. ROLEX GMT-MasterII 116710BLNR (SS) - RRP $12,010; resale up to $14K
11. ROLEX Sea-Dweller 126600 (SS/43mm) - RRP $15,250; resale up to $18K
12. ROLEX Sea-Dweller 4000 116600 (SS/discon) - Last RRP $13,990; resale up to $16K
13. ROLEX Submariner 116610LN (SS) - RRP $11,440; resale up to $13K
14. ROLEX Sea-Dweller 16600 (SS/discon) - Last RRP around $8.8K; resale up to $10K
15. ROLEX Submariner 14060M (SS/discon) - Last RRP around $8K+; resale about same price
16. ROLEX Submariner 16610LN (SS/discon) - Last RRP around $8K+; resale up to $12K
Some of the above figures are estimates, but quoted by some dealers over a period of about a year.
8. ROLEX GMT-MasterII 16710 (SS/discon/"pepsi") - Last RRP around $7K; resale up to $14K
i was at a one of the grey dealer shop and was randomly asking how much he would take for my gmt ii pepsi,and was quoted $10k, that was last year aug/ sep.
and today its up to $14k...wonder if there will be a premium if its a 3186Tag Heuer 2000 Professional Chronograph
Tag Heuer Formula 1
Rolex Datejust Oyster Perpetual 16234
Rolex Datejust Oyster Perpetual 116234
Rolex GMT II 16710
Sinn U1 SDR
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If you take some time to read up the forum, there have been some discussions on 'why'. From my understanding, it all started when the local ADs received instructions from the ROLEX HQ a few years back, dictating that they (the ADs) were not allowed to sell ROLEX watches above retail price (the ADs were selling some of the popular models at premium prices and making their customers signed an undertaking). I'm not sure if ROLEX did the same to other countries. At that time, most of the current sought after sports models were easily available and some came with discounts, between 5% and 15%, depending on the relationship between the customer and AD.
However, since then, stocks for these models started running low and discounts were slowly taken away as the demand rose. There have been conflicting rumors about the shortage - some said the ADs were the ones intentionally holding on to the stocks and only selling the popular models gradually to VVIP customers thru' various methods, even selling only to their grey dealer contacts; while some said ROLEX was intentionally cutting their supplies to the ADs as some way of 'punishing' the ADs so as to curb premium-selling. Then of late, some started to speculate that ROLEX had cut supply of current models because they might be introducing the new movements to the existing models, and at the same time, raising their prices.
It's anybody's guess but one thing for sure, the grey dealers are milking whatever they can now and selling some of the models at rocket-high prices. Just look at the stainless steel (SS) Daytonas, Submariner LV, Sea-Dweller 43mm, GMT-Master II 'Batman', and even the new Skydweller
You were right about the older GMT-Master II's current pricing. And you don't need to 'wonder about the 3186 version'... the premium is unthinkable at the moment!
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How about 5712/1A? Any idea what's the RRP?
CheerPatek Philippe Nautilus 5712G
Audemars Piguet 15400ST.OO.1220ST.02
Rolex Seadweller 126600
Rolex Deepsea Seadweller 116660
Rolex Submariner 16610
Tudor Pelagos LHD
Panerai 233
Panerai 104
Bell & Ross BR03-92 Phantom
Sinn Ultimate U
Sinn U2 S
Sinn U1 Black (Stealth)
Sinn U1
Dievas Shadow
Vihelm Talos (Blue)
Vilhelm Elemental (Gunmetal)
Zelos Hammerhead Bronze
Tag Heuer F1 Chronograph (White)
Seiko Arctura Kinetic Chronograph
Seiko Sportura Kinetic Chronograph
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i paid 12k for a 116610LN last month, waiting list was 6 months for Hour glass, while the ADs in chinatown say after CNY might have.
Tried to buy one since September, gave up and bought at a small premium. Then i saw on facebook, some dude bought a 116610LN from the AD that i was asking like a week ago, quite pissed but oh well.
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Originally posted by hungryghost View Posti paid 12k for a 116610LN last month, waiting list was 6 months for Hour glass, while the ADs in chinatown say after CNY might have.
Tried to buy one since September, gave up and bought at a small premium. Then i saw on facebook, some dude bought a 116610LN from the AD that i was asking like a week ago, quite pissed but oh well.
I understand your unhappiness but as I have explained earlier in one of the threads, the ADs decide and choose who they want to sell their watches to. The so-called 'waiting list' is bull****.
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