My new PAM 312

[rh1667]

Price will drop once AD stock is in. Actually wanted a Pam 312 but the serial no. put me off and also it's thicker case, got a 233 instead and no looking back.

I have the same view also.
Good choice on the 233!

[psee]

Very nice! Congrats & thks for sharing

[Watcha]

Price will drop once AD stock is in. Actually wanted a Pam 312 but the serial no. put me off and also it's thicker case, got a 233 instead and no looking back.

Yeah 233 very nice. I molest it at AD, so tempting but price wise so much higher. Guess thats why 312.

[dennlow]

Yeah 233 very nice. I molest it at AD, so tempting but price wise so much higher. Guess thats why 312.

I tink 312 is popular as it is by far the CHEAPEST in-house movement with the irresistable Luminor 1950 casing and the clean dial face

[Watcha]

I tink 312 is popular as it is by far the CHEAPEST in-house movement with the irresistable Luminor 1950 casing and the clean dial face

Agreed. Some more price not very far apart from ETA runs.

[Airbooster]

Wow. Good price! I paid much more for mine. Well, i couldn't wait so got to pay a premium. No wonder ppl say patience is a virtue.... i do not have

Love the 233 too. Now wondering how the 320 will look like.

Couldn't agree more that the sandwich dial and clean looks plus "cheap" price makes the 312 so appealing. Sure there are nicer pams out there but at this price, it can't be beat.... imho only okie...

Now i am happily looking for new straps to go with this wonderful watch.

To all paneristi out there.... have a great day!

[daveevan]

I paid list price at 9850 at our local AD

thanks for sharing bro, good price and very nice watch

[Bono]

i read an article that future PAMs are gonna be based on the P900X movement. so this is just the beginning for what's to come...

as for price drop... worldwide demand still exceeds supply, so i doubt it...

[exxondus]

i read an article that future PAMs are gonna be based on the P900X movement. so this is just the beginning for what's to come...

as for price drop... worldwide demand still exceeds supply, so i doubt it...

no offence, but i think they finally realised that this is the best way to beat Homages!

[senmin]

Congrats on you new toy.

I also managed to collect my 312 last Thursday.

[Oceanklassik]

no offence, but i think they finally realised that this is the best way to beat Homages!

And you really think so?

Congrats on you new toy.

I also managed to collect my 312 last Thursday.

Nw, pics pl.

[exxondus]

And you really think so?

yup, i find it helps to stretch the mkt to a minority who questions why pay premium for ETA based movements.

anyway, i oso see many premium brands are trying to move towards inhouse movement, not mainly due to the fact that swatch group will stop supplying ETA movements to non-swatch group companies (i.e. Omega also trying to make inhouse despite being in SWATCH Group).

Guess they must have seen a reason for doing so.

[zidaneong]

enjoy your new watch.

[wolfeyes1974]

yup, i find it helps to stretch the mkt to a minority who questions why pay premium for ETA based movements.

anyway, i oso see many premium brands are trying to move towards inhouse movement, not mainly due to the fact that swatch group will stop supplying ETA movements to non-swatch group companies (i.e. Omega also trying to make inhouse despite being in SWATCH Group).

Guess they must have seen a reason for doing so.

there're only 4 ways to go for all products (not just watches):

1. play with design
2. play with materials
3. play with movements (for watches)
4. play with history (relaunch "old" products)

as long as they do any of these, new movements or not for watches, consumers have to pay a premium for it..homages will soon follow suit given the technology and know-how..this is a reality!

now that all major watchmakers are going inhouse or use selita movements, will ETA be another lemania in the future? demand for it leading to higher price for the watches using ETAs (last batch or not) because of its rarity?

ETA is a common movement now but it's one of the most reliable around actually... by the way, pam's so called inhouse movement is still an outsource movement and they charge a higher price for it (consolation: most of us buy watches because they sing to us and we admire their history)..read this:

VALFleurier

One obvious question that begs to be answered is: If all of Panerai’s movements are hand assembled in Neuchatel, where do the components for these movements come from? The answer to this question points to an even greater manufacturing depth embodied by Panerai and the Richemont Group.
Fleurier is a small Swiss city at the base of the Jura mountains that, historically, has been an epicenter for the most refined horological crafts.





The Quartz Crisis hit Fleurier particularly hard during the late ’70s and early ’80s; but in the mid-’90s, the region became reborn as a result of the renewed interest in mechanical watchmaking and the establishment of manufactures such as Parmigiani Fleurier and Chopard L.U.C. The latest and perhaps most impressive addition to Fleurier is ValFleurier, a sprawling industrial complex boasting some of the most advanced manufacturing technology in the world. Panerai’s management had determined that it would be pointless to create in-house calibers that were, in turn, reliant on specialist suppliers for plates, bridges or gear wheels. As the Richemont-owned ValFleurier evolved, it has logically begun to produce parts for many of the Group’s other brands, but it is obvious that both the existence of ValFleurier and the massive new facility being built adjacent to it are directly related to Panerai’s rise in status to a true manufacture.





Says Angelo Bonati, “ValFleurier began working just for Panerai, and then the Group saw the benefit to servicing other brands as well. But that is great for us, because the more there is a spirit of innovation there, the more we all benefit. Also, I would humbly say that because we were involved very early in ValFleurier, we communicated a spirit of how we work to the entire manufacture. We work with enthusiasm and passion; otherwise, you cannot realize your dream and you will not be satisfied. The best results can only come from the personal motivation of human beings, and this is innately linked to having pride in what you do.”





What ValFleurier is capable of achieving in terms of specialized parts is simply staggering. A look into the highly specialized movement factory reveals its unique abilities, such as rendering the complex parts for the clutch in the P.2004 or the tourbillon in the P.2005. The implication of the creative freedom that this will provide in Panerai’s future is major. For example, Panerai’s P.2005 tourbillon represents a total revolution in the world of tourbillon wristwatches, yet it would have been totally unachievable without the ability to render many of the specialized parts used within, such as the toothed conical element that replaces the fixed fourth wheel of a normal tourbillon. Says Bonati, “ValFleurier is inextricably linked with the future of Panerai.”

[PamDino]

yup, i find it helps to stretch the mkt to a minority who questions why pay premium for ETA based movements.

anyway, i oso see many premium brands are trying to move towards inhouse movement, not mainly due to the fact that swatch group will stop supplying ETA movements to non-swatch group companies (i.e. Omega also trying to make inhouse despite being in SWATCH Group).

Guess they must have seen a reason for doing so.

It all boils down to economics. Simple logical.

Dino