Older GMT not too common

[Watcha]

The older gmt ii seems to be not so common as I observed. Be it Pepsi or coke, it's not so commonly seen worn or for sale at shops.

On the other hand, the ceramic gmt iic are more commonly seen. Even the batman are highly exposed.

The resales are full of ceramic gmts.

I wonder are the older aluminum bezel gmts are really not so popular then.

At the shops front, you can see a lot more subs. Even Daytona which is suppose to be rarer. A nice Pepsi is much lesser on display.

I wonder why. A point to ponder.

[Oceanklassik]

...what are you trying to say

The older GMTs ("pepsi"/"coke", "black") had been discontinued many years ago, correct? Back then when they were still in production, they were not the "most popular" models around, as compared to other sports models? Thus, I guess the production numbers weren't hugely massive.

You are making comparison with the current production GMTIIs and Submariners, I suppose? So you are likely to see more current models on resale naturally. Even if the Submariners you see is the older version (i.e. 16610), though discontinued, they are still 'newer' than the older GMTs because they were only discontinued later. In addition, the Submariners are generally more popular than most other sports models across most generations. So you are likely to see more in numbers in the resale market.

For the Daytonas, they were only recently discontinued. From my understanding, you can hardly buy a brand new Daytona from a local AD, unless willing to pay a high(er) price for it. But seriously, there are aplenty in the grey and resale market

[Oceanklassik]

On top of it being lesser in production in the past and that it had been discontinued many years ago, the other reasons could be:

- owners wearing them lesser as they might have newer ROLEX watches that they are wearing (so
the chance of you seeing it on the wrists is lesser);
- owners becoming aware of its rarity and value, thus not wanting to sell it (so you will see
less in the pre-owned shops); and
- owners wear it less frequent for reasons in point 1 and point 2.

[triton]

let's take out the production numbers out of the discussion as no one except rolex truly knows how many pieces are sold.

if thread starter is comparing people wearing 16710 aka the one generation before the current ceramic bezel GMT and preown shop selling to say people wearing the submariner and preown shop selling, then yes, i would say not very common. to compare against daytona (16520) may not be appropriate due to the selling price as demand is high and supply is low.

the direction that thread starter could be indicating is are the preown shop hoarding aka keeping the better condition GMT model 16710 in anticipation of the surge in demand of the watches thus pushing it higher.

The older gmt ii seems to be not so common as I observed. Be it Pepsi or coke, it's not so commonly seen worn or for sale at shops.

On the other hand, the ceramic gmt iic are more commonly seen. Even the batman are highly exposed.

The resales are full of ceramic gmts.

I wonder are the older aluminum bezel gmts are really not so popular then.

At the shops front, you can see a lot more subs. Even Daytona which is suppose to be rarer. A nice Pepsi is much lesser on display.

I wonder why. A point to ponder.

The older GMTs ("pepsi"/"coke", "black") had been discontinued many years ago, correct? Back then when they were still in production, they were not the "most popular" models around, as compared to other sports models? Thus, I guess the production numbers weren't hugely massive.

You are making comparison with the current production GMTIIs and Submariners, I suppose? So you are likely to see more current models on resale naturally. Even if the Submariners you see is the older version (i.e. 16610), though discontinued, they are still 'newer' than the older GMTs because they were only discontinued later. In addition, the Submariners are generally more popular than most other sports models across most generations. So you are likely to see more in numbers in the resale market.

For the Daytonas, they were only recently discontinued. From my understanding, you can hardly buy a brand new Daytona from a local AD, unless willing to pay a high(er) price for it. But seriously, there are aplenty in the grey and resale market

[Ryuden]

When you said older, I would go with the 16700 and 16710 as anything before those are vintage. And like OceanKlassik rightly pointed out, the influx of the ceramic is just because it's the current and ongoing model. So expect them to be aplenty.

Touching on popularity, I guess they are more popular than Explorer II but just fall short when compared to the Submariner.

I usually just smile when people said prices for the 5 digits Gmts are crazy for a model that was produced by the thousands and they are rightly so...but to find one in mint condition with relevant paper and complete set is quite rare as these watches have long been discontinued and back then, owners are not exposed to the convenient of the Internet and they worry not about wearing their watches for its intended purpose and as we can see, many are in reasonable condition but not mint. Thus why shops are keeping the mint complete ones for future speculation or if not, priced it at a premium like what Triton pointed out.

In the beginning, Spore prices are relatively lower than international (US and Japan) where it could go anywhere from $6,000 to close to $10,000 USD depending on condition and completeness but now it's picking up as demand grew and supply decrease.

Not sure about shops not having them for sale but I do know this is currently a favorite model for dealers right now as I have been offered mine on the spot if I decide to sell it by couple of shop dealers.

As the case of the Daytona, owners are flipping them perhaps to score the ceramic since the price different are still "manageable" so, many are being offered in the grey and preowned market unlike jumping from the 16710 Blro to 116710 Blro which would cause a big crater in one's pocket.

But you are right, I rarely see the old-skol Pepsi 16700/16710 on the street and shops thus why I love wearing mine while my newer Rolexes are sitting tight in the watch box.

Apart form the Explorer II (which I owned twice), this is the one Rolex that I come back over and over...3 times. Traded 1, Sold 1 and Keeping 1... Third time a charm I hope.

[VictorT]

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[Ryuden]

Picture speaks a thousand words...was just talking about this last night with a good friend. Nice chamfers and solid end links plus the serif font.

[VictorT]

Yea,has been spotted many tiny detail in a old craft watch especially the serif fonts👍Nothing can be beat by a new pre watch!
Thanks!

Picture speaks a thousand words...was just talking about this last night with a good friend. Nice chamfers and solid end links plus the serif font.

[locgreen]

GMT IIC is still the best

[Trinidad]

Gmt ceramic steel is common like a taxi.
Becos you can buy it easily anywhere and they are super affordable for what they are worth.

Discontinued models generally need a bit of a Rolex fan to buy.

moreover there are more noobs out there than true Rolex enthusiasts.
Noobs mostly buy current models. matter of fact.

Lately there was a price surge in older GMTs, from 1675 to 16750, 16760, 16700 , 16710
Prices up easily 50% in the last 2-3 yrs

[yzsoh1]

still prefer the 116710N to the batman.