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    At the beginning of each Baselworld, the commentators frenetically split their attention between two booths: Rolex's and Patek's. Yet, in order to see the 2012 edition's future best-sellers, one only had to slightly turn one's head to the right when facing the Rolex booth. Indeed, even if the Tudor booth is absorbed by the impregnable Rolex bunker, the novelties presented by Tudor were the focus of all the photos and of all the attention. Therefore, the excellent "Heritage" chrono presented in 2010 was not a "single-shot", which only confirms that the Tudor creations are "laboratory tests" for the Rolex group.

    Let's say it straight out: it is the greatest hit of Baselworld 2012. Tudor not only presented The most attractive watch of the trade show, but the two most attractive, at least in the affordable category. You know this category of watches which is not divorce-inducing in case of a compulsive purchase. I'll let you determine which one is the best, according to your tastes.





    The question is: why?

    In order to understand the success carried by these products, one has to understand the Rolex myth. Since I am not a specialist of Rolex, I will describe it from an ignoramus' standpoint.
    The mythology of Rolex was popularized by another myth, that of the James Bond played by Sean Connery.
    Rolex is the legend of the Alpha man from the 50's-60's. Adventurer, sports man, but also gentleman which remains virile, in short, the last example of the complete man from the XVI-XVII centuries (the "gentilhomme", poet, philosopher, swashbuckler and womanizer).

    This myth of the exploration, of the last geographical conquests (the deepest dive, in the Mariana Trench, the highest climb to the top of Mount Everest), but also of the spies, was the foundation of the Rolex passion. (Spies are the main theme of the excellent movie "Killer Elite" that takes place at the end of the 70's, in which Robert de Niro and Jason Statham both wear the Rolex Submariner 5513 or 1680).
    One has to admit that many marine commandos were equipped with Rolex throughout the 50's-60's period, outstripping Panerai, even though this brand was the historic provider for the Axis' combat divers.
    Rolex for the most expensively equipped divers, but also Tudor, for more thrifty army corps.



    For the Rolex & Tudor purists, the ideal watch is functional, waterproof, legible, compact, and it preserves the elegance of the curved shapes from the 50's.

    Yet, since the industry gradually gave up using tritium and painted dials during the 80's, some of the Rolex fans on the web are frustrated, as the will to reach the "Zero flaw quality" sometimes led Rolex on the path of gentrification.

    Against all odds, this year it is Tudor, the "affordable" subsidiary of Rolex, which presents two watches true to the "adventurous" spirit from the 50's. Even if these two watches are totally different in terms of design, they satisfy the same technical specifications: producing dive watches conforming to the criteria of the Submariner's original commercial success. On the one hand, the engineers inspired themselves from the 50's-60's period, and reproduced as faithfully as possible a military dive watch. On the other hand, they turned toward the future and created a mechanical dive watch as modern as possible but satisfying the exact same criteria.

    First of all, the most desired? Longed for? Wanted? The Tudor Black Bay.
    It is definitely inspired by the Tudor 7922-7924 from the 50's; this watch, with a professional or even a military purpose, featured a blue bezel, and more rarely a red one.

    The case also has a vintage look: "Big Crown" without flange and metallic bezel insert, domed sapphire crystal (the vintage's look without the Plexi's shortcomings). The lugs are rather thin from the front view, but they are a bit too thick when seen sideways; therefore, they look too modern, it is an inconsistency we already noticed on the "New Migauss".



    In order to understand the dial, one has to talk about the bezel; remarkably, the Tudor team chose to revisit the red version. It will take a while for the blue model to be available. This choice of color enhances the dial's gilt font. While it is shocking to some, it is well suited for the "brand with a crown", especially considering the success met by the green bezels from Rolex. But most of all, after hundreds of gallons of vintage Pepsi, Tudor crosses the sparkling soda's Rubicon, and at last proposes the Coca-Cola Rolex; excuse me, the Coca Tudor.

    The watch's appeal comes from its warmth, from the combination of the gilt hands, indexes and font, sitting on a domed dial and associated with the red/burgundy bezel. All of this provides the watch with the warmth of a peplum shot in Technicolor.



    As described in the press kit, the dial is black, but if I trust my eyes and my EOS 60D, it looks slightly brown, as if it had been exposed to imaginary radium. Or perhaps the SuperGilt (© Watchonista) indexes/font/hands visually beam on the overall dial…



    In the Tudor purist's opinion, the watch should not feature Snowflake hands, as they don't match historically this kind of indexes (it should feature double pencil hands)…. As well as some other details, such as the red insert that sits between the bezel and the casing (which is not terribly shocking when one holds the watch in one's hand).

    As always, the criticism is easy, but the art is difficult. For example, today, one of the rare almost successful attempts at redoing a Neo-Vintage watch is the Jaeger leCoultre Polaris.
    This watch is almost identical to the vintage model, yet, it has a few flaws that tend to prove that succeeding in this area is almost impossible (?): the watch is relatively cold, the "Vintage Luminova" indexes are over worked, but most of all , the price of about 12.000€ is absolutely outrageous . Hence, if the expertise used on this vintage Polaris is quite impressive, the final result is a bit disappointing. Comparatively, the Tudor Black Bay, or some Neo-Vintage Panerai are far more entertaining and are priced according to the quality of their movements, even if they are not perfect reproductions of the original models.

    Today, wanting to perfectly reproduce the glorious "oldies" is utterly useless:

    -The brand's internal policies, and especially that of the groups, forbid certain things; for example, it seems that the Mercedes hands (which would match the indexes better) are obviously reserved for Rolex.
    -The everlasting level of quality increased enormously since the 50's-60's: a lot of patinas and weathered bezels were inherent to the manufacturing flaws of this period.
    -The processes became more industrialized, and the manufacturing techniques from this era have been forgotten.
    -The fact that the uses of Radium and Tritium have been successively forbidden prevents the indexes/dials from aging quickly.
    -Nobody owns the "watch aging machine", especially since the process is inherent to its original buyer (CF the article on the PAM382 "Gonzo").



    The morale is that it is far more important for a watch to "sound" vintage with charisma, than to be an impossibly perfect copy. The Black Bay keeps with another vintage code: the price, even if it fits into modern ranges. It is one of the most affordable neo-vintage watches on the market (the Longines Legend Diver is another example).
    The Tudor BB will be sold for about 2400€, for the version with the aged leather strap (included the Tudor NATO), and about 2600€ with the stainless steel bracelet.
    A real certified quality vintage will cost you about 10 times the price, with complimentary Becquerels.

  • #2
    I'm thinking a Pelagos as a daily beater or for traveling to odd destinations, light weight and simple clean look.

    But it's SGD $5000-5400 i'm guessing...... maybe ??
    ROLEX.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the review, what about a review too on the Pelagos?\



      Originally posted by Pifpaf View Post
      At the beginning of each Baselworld, the commentators frenetically split their attention between two booths: Rolex's and Patek's. Yet, in order to see the 2012 edition's future best-sellers, one only had to slightly turn one's head to the right when facing the Rolex booth. Indeed, even if the Tudor booth is absorbed by the impregnable Rolex bunker, the novelties presented by Tudor were the focus of all the photos and of all the attention. Therefore, the excellent "Heritage" chrono presented in 2010 was not a "single-shot", which only confirms that the Tudor creations are "laboratory tests" for the Rolex group.

      Let's say it straight out: it is the greatest hit of Baselworld 2012. Tudor not only presented The most attractive watch of the trade show, but the two most attractive, at least in the affordable category. You know this category of watches which is not divorce-inducing in case of a compulsive purchase. I'll let you determine which one is the best, according to your tastes.





      The question is: why?

      In order to understand the success carried by these products, one has to understand the Rolex myth. Since I am not a specialist of Rolex, I will describe it from an ignoramus' standpoint.
      The mythology of Rolex was popularized by another myth, that of the James Bond played by Sean Connery.
      Rolex is the legend of the Alpha man from the 50's-60's. Adventurer, sports man, but also gentleman which remains virile, in short, the last example of the complete man from the XVI-XVII centuries (the "gentilhomme", poet, philosopher, swashbuckler and womanizer).

      This myth of the exploration, of the last geographical conquests (the deepest dive, in the Mariana Trench, the highest climb to the top of Mount Everest), but also of the spies, was the foundation of the Rolex passion. (Spies are the main theme of the excellent movie "Killer Elite" that takes place at the end of the 70's, in which Robert de Niro and Jason Statham both wear the Rolex Submariner 5513 or 1680).
      One has to admit that many marine commandos were equipped with Rolex throughout the 50's-60's period, outstripping Panerai, even though this brand was the historic provider for the Axis' combat divers.
      Rolex for the most expensively equipped divers, but also Tudor, for more thrifty army corps.



      For the Rolex & Tudor purists, the ideal watch is functional, waterproof, legible, compact, and it preserves the elegance of the curved shapes from the 50's.

      Yet, since the industry gradually gave up using tritium and painted dials during the 80's, some of the Rolex fans on the web are frustrated, as the will to reach the "Zero flaw quality" sometimes led Rolex on the path of gentrification.

      Against all odds, this year it is Tudor, the "affordable" subsidiary of Rolex, which presents two watches true to the "adventurous" spirit from the 50's. Even if these two watches are totally different in terms of design, they satisfy the same technical specifications: producing dive watches conforming to the criteria of the Submariner's original commercial success. On the one hand, the engineers inspired themselves from the 50's-60's period, and reproduced as faithfully as possible a military dive watch. On the other hand, they turned toward the future and created a mechanical dive watch as modern as possible but satisfying the exact same criteria.

      First of all, the most desired? Longed for? Wanted? The Tudor Black Bay.
      It is definitely inspired by the Tudor 7922-7924 from the 50's; this watch, with a professional or even a military purpose, featured a blue bezel, and more rarely a red one.

      The case also has a vintage look: "Big Crown" without flange and metallic bezel insert, domed sapphire crystal (the vintage's look without the Plexi's shortcomings). The lugs are rather thin from the front view, but they are a bit too thick when seen sideways; therefore, they look too modern, it is an inconsistency we already noticed on the "New Migauss".



      In order to understand the dial, one has to talk about the bezel; remarkably, the Tudor team chose to revisit the red version. It will take a while for the blue model to be available. This choice of color enhances the dial's gilt font. While it is shocking to some, it is well suited for the "brand with a crown", especially considering the success met by the green bezels from Rolex. But most of all, after hundreds of gallons of vintage Pepsi, Tudor crosses the sparkling soda's Rubicon, and at last proposes the Coca-Cola Rolex; excuse me, the Coca Tudor.

      The watch's appeal comes from its warmth, from the combination of the gilt hands, indexes and font, sitting on a domed dial and associated with the red/burgundy bezel. All of this provides the watch with the warmth of a peplum shot in Technicolor.



      As described in the press kit, the dial is black, but if I trust my eyes and my EOS 60D, it looks slightly brown, as if it had been exposed to imaginary radium. Or perhaps the SuperGilt (© Watchonista) indexes/font/hands visually beam on the overall dial…



      In the Tudor purist's opinion, the watch should not feature Snowflake hands, as they don't match historically this kind of indexes (it should feature double pencil hands)…. As well as some other details, such as the red insert that sits between the bezel and the casing (which is not terribly shocking when one holds the watch in one's hand).

      As always, the criticism is easy, but the art is difficult. For example, today, one of the rare almost successful attempts at redoing a Neo-Vintage watch is the Jaeger leCoultre Polaris.
      This watch is almost identical to the vintage model, yet, it has a few flaws that tend to prove that succeeding in this area is almost impossible (?): the watch is relatively cold, the "Vintage Luminova" indexes are over worked, but most of all , the price of about 12.000€ is absolutely outrageous . Hence, if the expertise used on this vintage Polaris is quite impressive, the final result is a bit disappointing. Comparatively, the Tudor Black Bay, or some Neo-Vintage Panerai are far more entertaining and are priced according to the quality of their movements, even if they are not perfect reproductions of the original models.

      Today, wanting to perfectly reproduce the glorious "oldies" is utterly useless:

      -The brand's internal policies, and especially that of the groups, forbid certain things; for example, it seems that the Mercedes hands (which would match the indexes better) are obviously reserved for Rolex.
      -The everlasting level of quality increased enormously since the 50's-60's: a lot of patinas and weathered bezels were inherent to the manufacturing flaws of this period.
      -The processes became more industrialized, and the manufacturing techniques from this era have been forgotten.
      -The fact that the uses of Radium and Tritium have been successively forbidden prevents the indexes/dials from aging quickly.
      -Nobody owns the "watch aging machine", especially since the process is inherent to its original buyer (CF the article on the PAM382 "Gonzo").



      The morale is that it is far more important for a watch to "sound" vintage with charisma, than to be an impossibly perfect copy. The Black Bay keeps with another vintage code: the price, even if it fits into modern ranges. It is one of the most affordable neo-vintage watches on the market (the Longines Legend Diver is another example).
      The Tudor BB will be sold for about 2400€, for the version with the aged leather strap (included the Tudor NATO), and about 2600€ with the stainless steel bracelet.
      A real certified quality vintage will cost you about 10 times the price, with complimentary Becquerels.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by relac88
        The design look similar to exp2 and sub
        Probably because tudor affiliated to rolex?
        Tudor is totally the property of Rolex, not only the same group (like Lange and JlC for exemple...)

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        • #5
          Love the red look and domed crystal. I would not mind "downgrading"
          From rolex to Tudor for this piece...
          Current babies:
          Sub 16610LN D series
          PAM 312 M series
          IWC 500112 Laureus Limited Edition

          Wish list:
          116613LB?
          a good White dial watch

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          • #6
            A lolex is a lolex, and todoor will just be a todoor. Well unless todoor start using lolex movement... Sadly lolex is nOT even in the league of Cartear and todoor not in the league of omeiga. Hehehe.
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            • #7
              Did Rolex produce minute repeater, tourby, PC watch or any grand complication internally/w three party recently? Even in term of cost, any haute horology watch from Cartier would beat Rolex any day...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Iceheller View Post
                Did Rolex produce minute repeater, tourby, PC watch or any grand complication internally/w three party recently? Even in term of cost, any haute horology watch from Cartier would beat Rolex any day...
                Originally posted by relac88
                If i needed a tourbillon or other complication, it wouldnt be a cartier
                But right now i am happy with the rolex movement
                Its reliable and accurate
                And cheap to service
                He not say for you to buy Cartier bro.....

                Each to own opinion... it's allowed for sure.
                ROLEX.

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                • #9
                  The TUDOR Heritage Black Bay's Red Bezel is very nice !
                  But too bad it's 41mm can't fit onto the Sub..............hahaha just another of my crazy wonder !
                  New ROLEXY on the Blog

                  Wishlist
                  1) Yach-Master (16622)
                  2) Explorer II - Black/White (216570)
                  3) Submariner TTc (116613LB)

                  Madness
                  The ITCH is getting worse & incurable

                  Repentance
                  I let go my beloved U-Series Sub (16610) for the newcomers.

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                  • #10
                    Want tourby just buy seagull single or even double tourby. Affordable and definitely cheaper than lowlex in term of servicing cost from SC.
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                    • #11
                      Cartier does have some nice designs
                      Do they design and make their own inhouse movements?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Iceheller View Post
                        Want tourby just buy seagull single or even double tourby. Affordable and definitely cheaper than lowlex in term of servicing cost from SC.
                        NO servicing cost also! Spoil, just buy a new one!! kekeke .... kidding ...
                        I always luv my trusty G-Shock btw ... =)

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                        • #13
                          Bet you wont say the same if your gshock cost 10k

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                          • #14
                            dome sapphire crystal:wow

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                            • #15
                              I must get that Tudor BB + Nato straps! I'm really hooked to the look! Are these being released to the market yet?
                              Current watch list:-
                              Rolex DJ (11640)
                              Omega Seamaster (daily beater - now down pending servicing...)
                              Tudor Glamour DD
                              Magrette Bronze (daily beater)
                              Hamilton Jazz
                              PAM 0000 (Got it for my 41 BD)

                              Latest new toy:-
                              Seiko Sumo Diver (daily beater to replace my broken Seamaster)

                              Moving into vintage rolex... targeting on good condition DD1803, Explorer1 1016, Explorer2 1655.

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