Rolex Submariner - Date or No Date

[WatchAdmirer]

I am also almost in the same boat as you...
going to be my first Rollie, have been checking out for weeks, drooling over some models for hours everyday.... (still doing)
now still can't make up my mind (though a bit different with yours)
my choices are sub-date though : 16610LV or 116610

and still trying to find the courage to step in any AD to feel the power (scared kena poisoned )

[GGT]

Bro,

If I were to get one...especially the first one...
The new ceramic sub with date is a good choice.
But prepare to pay.

As for my personal liking on sub w/date....I never like the cyclop or magnify date thing.
And also new sub with new price range is out for me lah.
I currently lookin' at DeepSea.The whole watch surface magnify up.One big giant cyclop.HeHeHe!

Gianni

[Oceanklassik]

Seriously speaking and pardon my ignorance. Is there going to be a Submariner (ceramic) w/o date?! But if there's going to be one, it will not come as a surprise, isn't it? Look at how the price had inflated for the Explorer 1 (14270/114270) at that time..

[Rolax]

Hi WatchAdmirer,

I'd get the 116610 if I were you....but I'd wait for a few months & hopefully the price will drop when all the fuss dies down and there are lots of stock. Then again, that's just my 2 cents worth....

[GGT]

Bro,

Screw up business as always....

Even their flagship product also try to 'houdini' people lah.

Thanks
G

[WatchAdmirer]

Rolax,

depending on demand and supply... might take a year or two for the price to settle down
though time might not be a real concern, i can wait, and continue to surf the internal and drool over them everyday

basically for me, the main attraction from both models: maxi dial

dont like:
- 116610: ceramic bezel too bling bling
- 16610lv: basically all 'upgrades' of sub-C, except the bezel
hmmm.....

[clokwerk oranje]

Rolax,

depending on demand and supply... might take a year or two for the price to settle down
though time might not be a real concern, i can wait, and continue to surf the internal and drool over them everyday

basically for me, the main attraction from both models: maxi dial

dont like:
- 116610: ceramic bezel too bling bling
- 16610lv: basically all 'upgrades' of sub-C, except the bezel
hmmm.....

i was of the understanding other than the ceramic bezel, the one other thing that differs the 116610 and the 16610 is also the parachrom hairspring? correct me if i'm wrong... plus the thicker horns...

[WatchAdmirer]

clokwerk oranje,

ya, those are the differences (or so-called 'upgrade') of the sub-C that i would like to have.... for a sub-C

[WatchAdmirer]

Rolax,

Have you decided which to get for yourself?

[Rolax]

Hi Everyone,

I got my Submariner (16610) yesterday. Thanks for all the suggestions which helped me make up my mind. Like I said, I like both the Date & No Date (1460M) so I needed a third opinion or in this case all you guys' opinions.
Had a good look at the 1460M & I really liked the 'clean' look but decided on the 16610 cos it helps when I tear parking coupons & when I wake up (always have to check the date for both activities)
Am already planning on my next timepiece......poisonous....You guys are 'bad' influences....ha!

[Oceanklassik]

Hi Everyone,

I got my Submariner (16610) yesterday. Thanks for all the suggestions which helped me make up my mind. Like I said, I like both the Date & No Date (1460M) so I needed a third opinion or in this case all you guys' opinions.
Had a good look at the 1460M & I really liked the 'clean' look but decided on the 16610 cos it helps when I tear parking coupons & when I wake up (always have to check the date for both activities)
Am already planning on my next timepiece......poisonous....You guys are 'bad' influences....ha!

Congratz! Whatever it is, it is still your choice. Do post some pics of your watch if you can.

[kormaking]

Hi Everyone,

I got my Submariner (16610) yesterday. Thanks for all the suggestions which helped me make up my mind. Like I said, I like both the Date & No Date (1460M) so I needed a third opinion or in this case all you guys' opinions.
Had a good look at the 1460M & I really liked the 'clean' look but decided on the 16610 cos it helps when I tear parking coupons & when I wake up (always have to check the date for both activities)
Am already planning on my next timepiece......poisonous....You guys are 'bad' influences....ha!

IMHO you'd made a wrong decision. 14060M bring along massive history regarding rolex's sports line. It's a must have item for most collector around the world. Rolex is most likely to discontinue sub nd model and years from now its going to be a real classic with higher resale value comparing to the more common date model.

Anyway, any kind of rolex is still a right decision.

[triton]

may i know where you got information on 2 issues

1) a must have for rolex collector
2) discontinue sub ND

IMHO you'd made a wrong decision. 14060M bring along massive history regarding rolex's sports line. It's a must have item for most collector around the world. Rolex is most likely to discontinue sub nd model and years from now its going to be a real classic with higher resale value comparing to the more common date model.

[kormaking]

may i know where you got information on 2 issues

1) a must have for rolex collector
2) discontinue sub ND

1. try browse the net and other rolex forum e.i. WUS or TRF
2. my local AD and of course other rolex forum

Here's the production period of sub nd line:

1990 - 2000 : 14060 with 3000 movement
2000 - 2007 : 14060M with 3130 movement
2008 - ..... : 14060M COSC with 3130 movement

Most likely the 14060M COSC will be with lesser pieces in circulation (if production run ends in 2010) than 14060M (no-COSC), followed by 14060.

I think all 14060 and 14060M come with lug holes. They also do not have the SEL bracelet regardless of their production series. the older 14060 has the 3000 movements and it was upgraded to the 3130 movement that was reflected in an addition of the letter "M" in its model number resulting in the current 14060M. Though the latest 14060M from M series also incorporate the 3130 movement, they are now officially chronometer certified (COSC) and thus have the words "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified" indicated on their dials. In addition, the COSC 14060M now comes with the chapter ring. So technically the 14060M are still in production but now come with the cosmetic upgrades.

As for collectibility of the non-Cosc and COSC 14060M, some are speculating that the COSC ones would have more potential as the Submariner line are expected to be upgraded to ceramic bezel and supercases in the near future and therefore making them to be available in a relatively short production period.

[taxico]

1. try browse the net and other rolex forum e.i. WUS or TRF
2. my local AD and of course other rolex forum

Here's the production period of sub nd line:

1990 - 2000 : 14060 with 3000 movement
2000 - 2007 : 14060M with 3130 movement
2008 - ..... : 14060M COSC with 3130 movement

Most likely the 14060M COSC will be with lesser pieces in circulation (if production run ends in 2010) than 14060M (no-COSC), followed by 14060.

As for collectibility of the non-Cosc and COSC 14060M, some are speculating that the COSC ones would have more potential as the Submariner line are expected to be upgraded to ceramic bezel and supercases in the near future and therefore making them to be available in a relatively short production period.

while i can't support purchasing watches for speculative reasons, i can certainly understand purchasing a watch for "heritage" reasons... and off the bat, i'd tell you i'm no fan of the new "super case."

the 14060(M) is a direct line to the venerable 5513s (and to a slightly lesser degree, due to cost, the 5512s) - the sport watch that is the stuff of legendary stories... and still the very reason why many people talk about buying a rolex OR even come full circle BACK to a rolex.

it's nothing fancy. just a good ole tough as nails watch that does what it's supposed to do and nothing more. why should rolex bother milling 2 notches to support SELs?

IMO, the demands of a "must know/have it now" world precludes the 14060/M (especially the non-COSC) from most people's option.

my own experience tells me that i CAN live without a date on my watch. it's certainly not a convenient nor easy option, but boy, is it fun to such a clean dial to look at.

the 14060(M) is thinner, certainly easier to wear, and more reminiscent of the rolex from yesteryear. it's lesser number of parts also mean a less likelihood of something breaking.

don't buy it because it is released in smaller quantities... they aren't priced like they used to.

don't buy one because it's cheaper either; you get "more" with the (1)16610 - and well worth it.

get one only if you're sure about yourself. if you're not, go get the "other one" as you're bound to be irritated by the lack of the date function.

get one only if you love it and know what it stands for within the rolex line-up.