Check: How much will you pay for GMTII with 3186??

[ricnas1]

that makes the 3 of us!!

x 4.....

i think my max wl be sgd8.2 - 8.5k..... there is an surge of interest for these 3186s now..... but i aint gonna wait 10-20 yrs to sell again at record prices...

gmt C II wl fetch at least sgd9.5k now.... not sgd8k....

[seiko.citizen]

at most S$9k, but defintely nothing over S$9k, and even at S$9k, it would only be reserved for 100% BNIB.

[ricnas1]

I was offered one for S$13K.. will you part with that money?

can u PM me who offered you the piece at sgd13k....?

[seiko.citizen]

Id be interested to know too.... recently the AUD climb like crazy, and one of my quoted prices were unexpectedly high.....

[tchinhe]

The new price in US for this is 5750. And they are hard to find in some places. Any stores that has it most likely had the Z series. SG8K is about reasonable.

[chershen]

agree with feudallordcult.

for 13k, hmm:

can buy milgauss with spare change lah.
can full gold president day-date (resale) with spare change lah.
can buy gmt2c with spare change lah.
change top up a bit to buy daytona lah.

frankly, 3186, 3185, how i know?

[116520]

Conclusion is that with $13k, you can do many many things but please don't buy a GMTII with 3186...

agree with feudallordcult.

for 13k, hmm:

can buy milgauss with spare change lah.
can full gold president day-date (resale) with spare change lah.
can buy gmt2c with spare change lah.
change top up a bit to buy daytona lah.

frankly, 3186, 3185, how i know?

[watchlobby]

There are a few ways to find out if its 3185/6 and listed out in some threads here. Z series 99% not 3186. Even M series only a few hundreds were made. This actually makes it more limited in number compared to the 16760 which were made in only '98? So, how much 'power' it has for price increase is anyone's guess. I definitely will get 1 for keeps...

[Darkangel]

I was offered one for S$13K.. will you part with that money?

Haha...you ask me to pay 6k for a GMT II 3185 I already KPKB coz that time I got offered 4k,I took the exp II instead haha.

13k...not in a million years...

[psee]

13K for a GMT Master II 16710?? With that $, there are a lot of better options available. Lets faced it, the last batches of 16710 with the 3186 movement is a nice acquisition and may rise in value in the years to come, but sellers demanding almost 5K over its last known retail price is simply a case of "sellers drumming up demand" ploy. Its' rarity may also not necessarily lead to higher potential value because the determinant of prices is always demand. As much as I would love to have such a 16710 & would even probably consider trading my only SD to attain it, I'm afraid I would not cross the sensible price threshold of SGD8K and break the bank just to follow the hype. juz my opinion.

Agreed

[feudallordcult]

My personal view

There are a few ways to find out if its 3185/6 and listed out in some threads here. Z series 99% not 3186. Even M series only a few hundreds were made. This actually makes it more limited in number compared to the 16760 which were made in only '98? So, how much 'power' it has for price increase is anyone's guess. I definitely will get 1 for keeps...

this is the reason why i enjoy this forum so much that I actually made it my homepage. there is much to learn and fortunately almost all are eager and selfless in sharing knowledge.

pls bear with me on this relatively long post appended below. btw, all views are purely personal so if any of you can't handle it should just close your browser to avert potential misgivings.

3186 or 3185?
i believe the only way to ascertain if the movement in a gmt-II would be to open up the caseback and physically verify. no two ways abt it. the "wiggle test" is a novelty at best.

ltd edn
limited production of gmt-II with 3186 movement? Yes, i agree that it's a limited run but how limited? maybe 20, 200, 2000 or 200,000? no one knows and there's no way to know cos rolex is tight-lipped abt everything. But one thing's for sure, rolex produces "tons" of watches annually and this includes gmt-II.

todate, i am still searching for info for definitive reports that the 3186 is better than the 3185. Let us not forget that the latter movement has an established track record that stretches a long way back.

I admit i am a watch idiot slave but is the new hairspring in 3186 really that good at being anti-magnetic and resistant to low temps? if so, shouldn't rolex contemplate a milgauss+gmt-II? being a WIS, i am not sure what other advantages the 3186 has to offer. perhaps senior bros can help to enlighten?

Is the 3186 much better than its predecessor that it can perhaps go on longer w/o servicing just like omega's co-axial? I can accept that since discon of the gmt-II, prices of pre-owned have gone thru the roof. what I cannot understand is the hype for the last batches of these babies. is the 3186 in a gmt-II casing really that good or are they really that rare?

to those who have the gmt-II(3186), I am sincerely happy for you. I'll be the first to admit that at the current prices, I cannot afford it. Some of you may even think sour grapes are my staple diet but I assure u, it's not. Spending on rolex watches is already a form of madness, let's not make it worse.

Matt(submariner08) from US rolex forums stated in his signature: Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not, but remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for.

I really think it's so very true. Anyway, all views are purely personal. 13k for gmt-II? just doesn't float my boat. peace.

[watchlobby]

The retail now for GMT II is 9+K if you can get a fresh set from AD. The era of 5-6K is no more, I myself missed it too. I didn't even want to think about a GMTII when people selling for 4K. Now, after 3 years... its history.... Have to move with times...

[watchlobby]

Agree on the questions asked by Feudal, whether its better, I need the real experts to advise. I guess its just the rarity and novelty of having the last batch of GMTII that adds to the attractiveness...

Fully agree with all about the 13K tag.. that's y i've successfully located my 3186 for a more reasonable price..

[triton]

as pointed out, no know knows the movement inside unless you open the case back. those who want to purchase this watch could have the following reasons

1) limited production of old model with new movement
2) hopefully it is a rare batch of production so it will be desirable. could be more so in future, like some will like to get the zenith movement daytona

some of you also pointed out that with a such a price tag, would there be better alternatives?

there are always choices. let me share with u a personal experience.

a panerai destro aka 219 is a ETA based movement with no date, going for about 9k. a sinn EZM-3 with ETA based movement with date going for about 3k. some may argue that it is a little hard to compare as one is with date but another is without. if a watch lover primary objective is to own a left hand watch, which watch to choose? i was in this situation. i was thinking that for a pam 219, if i top up about another 3k, i could have a breguet type XXI, or i could have a JLC Master 8 days. the choice would be ezm-3 as i was going for looks and i not willing to part so much.

my shifu mentioned, a panerai may cost alot more, but its resale value is there. you dont lose so much. the loss in value take it as rental fees. another group of people i met @ chopard dinner believed that the panerai bubble will burst one of these days. so better not own one. if one is to believe that, then dont get. if not, can consider getting a pam.

there is always an opportunity cost when purchasing a particular watch. buy a watch that suits your budget range. buy a watch because you like it.

[Oceanklassik]

Well said

By both feudallordcult and triton. Ultimately, IT IS YOUR CHOICE!