if you don't mind buying pre-owned and/or have patience, there are good deals that come by from time to time. i've seen a few ceramic sub (no date) sell for high 6k - low 7s is a common price.
so while waiting, keep saving if you don't have enough money. if you want the sub but buy the tudor - you'll end up getting the sub later anyway. why take a hit on any depreciation?
quite hard to get it below 7k. most of the 1 year old preown i saw was around 7.5k. some offers at 7.3k and seller withdrawn sales.
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