Buying from dealers with no shops

[pegasi]

Yes I can issue you a receipt of my own if you want

And your point has been debated many times in this forum - even with a proof of purchase, seller can still argue that something could be done to the watch after changing hand. So if you are the buyer and I am the seller, I would say let's send the watch for authentication or don't buy.

If you insist on the original receipt from the retailer, I am afraid you have very limited choices of buying through the forum.

[pegasi]

And by the way, deals conducted between individuals over a forum like this is not regarded as commercial transactions.

[pegasi]

Like many members here, I myself am both a buyer and seller on the forum at different points. When I was a buyer, I wished to have everything including the receipt/invoice. But when I started selling watches frequently, it is easy to see why it is tricky and therefore better not to sell with receipt. Not that I have receipt for most of them, since most watches I own aren't bought brand new and didn't come with receipt.

So I am not trying to impose any rule (I can't even if I want) but merely share what the common practice is based on my experience. It is up to individual whether they want to play by such common practice. For me it is perfectly fine if someone have his own requirements and stick by it. There is no right or wrong like bro skins said, but just that you will have lesser opportunity to deal.

[pegasi]

Sorry for being long-winded...

Blanking out the price on the receipt sounds like a good idea, but I am not sure if buyers really want that. The reasoning of having such a receipt is so that one is more certain about the authentication. But really? When one doesn't even trust the stamped warranty card with serial number on it?

[Darkangel]

Sorry for being long-winded...

Blanking out the price on the receipt sounds like a good idea, but I am not sure if buyers really want that. The reasoning of having such a receipt is so that one is more certain about the authentication. But really? When one doesn't even trust the stamped warranty card with serial number on it?

That's very personal lah...though I do agree that a receipt is just a piece of paper which does not proof anything much.

I can take an original receipt and give you a fake item, or I can just print/write my own receipt. Nothing's too difficult if I want to

[tsetse]

Hi all,

Have anyone bought any PAMS from the dealers without a shopfront? I asked the seller from *** whether his BNIB piece from overseas AD comes with receipt and he says Panerai dont issue receipts? Kind of weird to me to hear of such explanation.

I also buy watches from private dealers with no shop front. I dont care whether there is receipt anot. Most impt all box and papers is complete and watch is genuine. If still in doubt. Send in for verification. Most impt warranty card is chopped. Tats all.

[tzetze]

u wan receipt, very simple. go boutique buy at rrp.

[Watcha]

When I sold my watches, most have no receipt. Bought them without receipt.

Some I gave receipt. Some I didn't, as there are more than one item on the receipt.

Dealers are very unlikely to give receipt. First, no one wants to reveal the source.
Not so much on the profit i think. AD connections cannot be revealed. Risk of dealership.

Say their "receipt" have 10 watches. Give who?

IMO receipts from AD are more valid if they are local.
How do you know the receipt from one Italian town or a Greek island is genuine?

[satch]

I guess having a receipt is definitely more assurance than none at all (everything else being equal). But not having receipt doesn't necessarily kill the deal.

[relac168]

Yes, if you get direct from the AD like 1 or 2 pieces. But suppliers get like maybe at least 20pieces at 1 go to bring the cost down so end users can benefit. When dealers get from suppliers, they don't issue receipts. Buy from a trusted resellers or bring the watch for verification. Thanks

[pegasi]

When dealers get from suppliers, they don't issue receipts. Buy from a trusted resellers or bring the watch for verification

Not sure what is your definition of "suppliers" and "dealers", but an AD will get an invoice from the supplier/manufacturer in one way or another, for a batch of watches purchased under one PO and delivered in one shipment. It should be similar for other commercial transactions made through the proper channel, i.e. not referring to grey dealers.

"Receipt" is a term generally used for consumer purchase. Some dealers also issue invoice to consumers.

[lhjake]

Sorry for being long-winded...

Blanking out the price on the receipt sounds like a good idea, but I am not sure if buyers really want that. The reasoning of having such a receipt is so that one is more certain about the authentication. But really? When one doesn't even trust the stamped warranty card with serial number on it?

indeed u hv the marking of a solicitor if u are not one already.
i agd wth darkangel when he said, "That's very personal lah" .. a forum is more 4 exchanging of ideas bet members rather than a tirade against one another.
i agd wth satch when he said,"a receipt is definitely more assurance than none at all".

nowsaday, i understand that a buyer can seek recourse fm seller within 6mths time frame if the latter sold a 'lemon' to the former under Singapore's consumer protection Act effective in 2012. as such, a 'receipt' becomes handy in such a situation.
To do or not to do is a judgemen call bet parties in actual deal(s) as there are so many factors to take into considerations by the parties concerned.

[baukiki]

I wont show you the receipt if im the seller. This will show you where we buy the watch and HENCE-----> competition

[pegasi]

indeed u hv the marking of a solicitor if u are not one already.
i agd wth darkangel when he said, "That's very personal lah" .. a forum is more 4 exchanging of ideas bet members rather than a tirade against one another.
i agd wth satch when he said,"a receipt is definitely more assurance than none at all".

nowsaday, i understand that a buyer can seek recourse fm seller within 6mths time frame if the latter sold a 'lemon' to the former under Singapore's consumer protection Act effective in 2012. as such, a 'receipt' becomes handy in such a situation.
To do or not to do is a judgemen call bet parties in actual deal(s) as there are so many factors to take into considerations by the parties concerned.

Tirade? Come on lah...

I might have challenged some of the views too strongly but did I criticise, accuse, or abuse anyone?

If a strong argument came across to you as criticism, I apologise.

My comments for this topic end here. No point...

[SmOcKxY]

To me I don't think the receipt is very important in this case, like everything it can be faked..if you want to see receipt just to have a piece of mind that the piece you are buying is indeed genuine then you should go for verification instead..

I've never bought from a grey dealer here or any seller here so I have no experience..just wondering..if you were to buy from a grey dealer..say for a Rolex piece..and you want verification done..normally I understand the buyer will pay for the cost of verification..my question is when does money change hands? ARe the grey dealers generally agreeable to you bringing their new piece in for verification before paying up? Or do the buyer normally pay everything to the dealer and then bring the watch for authentification?

I'm asking because I may be going this route pretty soon..am able to save quite abit for the piece I'm looking at..