Pam 321

[roguehog]

Agree with ichiban on "1 man 1 PAM". All look the same, but all enthusiasts gotta have 1 lurking in the collection.

What i believe: there is a chance that PAM as a brand will not run it's course as smoothly as rolex AP or patek etc. Too many limited editions with very little intrinsic value or meaning. They are just various permutations of the same few variables, like position of the crown/date etc. Does anyone remember the recent scandal of the PAM "brooklyn bridge" LE (correct me if i'm wrong)? The CEO himself had to issue an apology to the paneristi. Some thought is was an unacceptable excuse/cover-up, but other suckers felt that it was so gracious of him to offer to replace those cheap-looking movements for more embellished ones. Haha, i thought the whole thing was quite funny.

Spiderboy is not the only skeptical one about the inhouse PAM movts. They are relatively new, and have yet to be tried and tested. The reliability factor for them is not rock-solid as yet. Wait and see.

Lastly, between the boys and the gentrified, what would they choose to wear? A PAM, or a Rolex/AP/Patek? Something to think about.

My $0.05.

Agree with you bro. In fact, I reckon panerai is Linda like Porsche. All te cars in their stable look like te 911. Cayman and boxter retain the dame shape as the 911. Even te panerema and cayenne look like a stretch 911 and a 911 on steroids respectively.

Pams are pretty much the same just as you have pointed out.

I also agree that a classic Pam should bear as clean a dial as possible. That's why I went for te 320 instead of the 321 as the latter is rather messy and cluttered imho.

[ichiban]

hey guys i like the discussion
sorry quite a PAM noob here
the 312 i like looks like the 320 or 359. whats the diff? and these 3 are all inhouse movements?
definitely not the 321 (i agree. too much stuff happening)

[ichiban]

just to add,
the only reason i m getting the 312 is cos its the cheapest inhouse movement model.
if there is something like an inhouse 111 i will definitely get that
as in stands 005 and 111 are too common hence the 312.
appreciate everyone's inputs!

[Dfive]

just to add,
the only reason i m getting the 312 is cos its the cheapest inhouse movement model.
if there is something like an inhouse 111 i will definitely get that
as in stands 005 and 111 are too common hence the 312.
appreciate everyone's inputs!

You have your answer..... just get the 312.

[dark.magnet]

Glad to know i'm not the only one here who feels this way. I guess many panerisiti are seeing the reverse side of the Panerai coin.

Don't get me wrong. The appearance of a panerai timepiece is unusual. The clean classics are certainly very beautiful. In fact, the one i have now, i consider as 1 of 4 key pieces in my large collection. Panerai, at least, has started to innovate. This is the right direction, but Officine Panerai has already found itself deeply entrenched in another undesirable position which is assoc with a few problems:

1) PAM watches are highly tradable, and many do not see them as "keepers". Compare this with the other end of the spectrum - Patek. Why? Because it is the young, fickle-minded guys like us who buy, then sell once we get sick of it, for another better marque!
So with time, the brand (and sentiment behind it) has evolved in such a way that it panders mainly to a younger audience. In a general sense, no one "loves" a panerai enough to keep it, opposed to the way Pateks are treasured.

2) Usually donned by the younger collectors, therefore many high-end collectors may thumb their noses at the brand and find it hard to justify paying premium for them.

3) The designs of their luminor/radiomir ranges were very simple to begin with. This is a double-edged sword. Innovations to the classic appearance will seem deviant just as i have alluded to in my prev post, but how to possibly avoid this? Can't please everyone. Some will get bored of the same old classic design, and others will scoff at newer weird-looking models. Even a chronograph on a PAM looks wrong. The classic appearance has already owned a piece of our mind, and it is difficult to dissociated it from the brand.

And just like how bro roguehog uses Porsche as an analogy, all starting to look the same. I don't think anyone will buy a new model from porsche if it didn't look like a porsche). Prestige brands need to be instantly recognizable. That's how they sell! They need to retain the styling! Same for watches

The holy Trinity and Rolex have manged to acheive all this (and avoid the pitfalls) incredibly well. Magical marketing maybe? A highly visionary philosophy? Or just insisting on sticking to the conventional?

Sorry for this lengthy piece of drudgery. But whatever you're in to, we're all loving it!

Yours Truly.

[Dfive]

My thought have been written for me... LOL

The only watches I want are in my signature... these for me are all daily wear for me.

I'm not a collector - i wear them, scratch them, love them and enjoy them.

[Paneraii]

Solid read. Been awhile! : )

My take AP PP VC and JLC are prestigious watch brand. Its like comparing Liverpool (almost a mid-table club) against Manchester United (greatest English club of all time) Haa.. I am at it again.

[Zhi_Peng]

ichiban,
Should have bought your 312? How was it?

[dark.magnet]

haha. Thanks for backing me up there guys. But hope i didn't offend anyone out there

If it helps, I think i look good in one (most guys do). My girlfriend thinks i look good in one (btw i think she looks good in mine too). So i'm going to keep it, maybe buy her one! *snigger*

correction: My PAM is one of 5 key pieces in my collection.

Ichiban, suggest you wait it out for the meantime and look around harder. There is no rush. 312 can always be found on preowned market. Maybe after you pass your exams, your budget can swell a bit to open the doors to more options!

[Paneraii]

Offend who siah. I have a Pam. Nothing wrong with your comment and you didn't insult anyone for that matter nor animal was hurt.

1 ) Panerai is indeed very trad-able
2 ) Ain't sure about older collectors, but some valid point there. Rolex Paul Newman doesn't appeal to me also.
3 ) Yes, Panerai is being cornered in a way their design is. Like a Porsche. However, a Porsche is a Porsche, and Patek will always be Patek.

[roguehog]

Offend who siah. I have a Pam. Nothing wrong with your comment and you didn't insult anyone for that matter nor animal was hurt.

1 ) Panerai is indeed very trad-able
2 ) Ain't sure about older collectors, but some valid point there. Rolex Paul Newman doesn't appeal to me also.
3 ) Yes, Panerai is being cornered in a way their design is. Like a Porsche. However, a Porsche is a Porsche, and Patek will always be Patek.

Hah yes, a Toyota will be a Toyota, a Honda will be a Honda. A vw will be a nightmare!

[miniUltraman]

just to add,
the only reason i m getting the 312 is cos its the cheapest inhouse movement model.
if there is something like an inhouse 111 i will definitely get that
as in stands 005 and 111 are too common hence the 312.
appreciate everyone's inputs!

I have the 111 and 312.. they are so different.. even wearing them feels so different. I fell in love with the 1950 caseback... The smaller second hand on the 312 looks so good too.. and the "9" + date.. not to mention automatic vs manual...

[ichiban]

got the pam 328 in the end
but switched out the steel bracelet for the 312 leather strap=)

[leoleo]

Get the 312

Recently I am thinking of changing my PAM so I wen to have a look at the ion boutique.

I looked at the various models - those 47mm, Destro, 321, ceramic but none seems to look better than the 312 IMO, thus decided to stick to wat I have

cheers