Local AD

[Oceanklassik]

This' a personal decision, I guess. Most often than not, I was approached, both from people here and outside, seeking recommendations for local ADs for new watches. Whenever I asked why they were willing to pay more to get from the ADs as compared to getting it from other sources (less expensive), most responded that they wish to buy with some form of assurance. Do take into consideration that not every one who buys/owns expensive/branded watches are savvy/experienced with watches. Then, there'll also be the hassle of getting verification services and it is more troublesome now with some brands not providing this service anymore, and of course, ROLEX making it more inconvenient already.

[Paneraii]

As this will be my 1st time buying a PAM.. Will not know what to check when dealing with gret dealer.
If anything go wrong with the watch or some items that was miss out from the package.. I think is a bit difficult to go back to them.

Just like buying car from AD and PI...

No need to worry if you deal with Kenneth Chen previously from VIP HOTEL watch shop.

[Vinsyeo]

Yes. If you buy from reputable grey dealer then you don't have to worry.

I bought my PAM 104 from Kenneth Chen and the stamp was from Cortina Watch (local AD).

Hope that will give you some confidence in buying from grey dealer.

[edsim]

Yes. If you buy from reputable grey dealer then you don't have to worry.

I bought my PAM 104 from Kenneth Chen and the stamp was from Cortina Watch (local AD).

Hope that will give you some confidence in buying from grey dealer.

Hmmm... Wondering then how come the chop comes from a AD???
I am a newbie so may be asking questions which are already known facts.
Buy seniors, do enlighten.

[Paneraii]

Hmmm... Wondering then how come the chop comes from a AD???
I am a newbie so may be asking questions which are already known facts.
Buy seniors, do enlighten.

Actually ....these grey dealer are buyers themselves from ADs. They buy Rolexs, PPs, IWCs, Panerais and etc. In return, they might get super discount, then they resell it to you. However, its not easy though. One year grey dealer need to meet certain target ($200K per year of watches turnover) then you get regular supply of rare and elusive watches. This is only one example. Another one..Over the years they know many friends and they could have asked them to buy from Europe, buy in bulk - 10% bulk discount + 15% VAT. In the end, they made up from there. Hope it helps.

Another one is kopi money which is the ADs leak out watches to grey dealer in return they get some kick back kind of thing.

Grey dealers have the kind of network that is so scary.. ...However, without them, it will be difficult to buy a Pam zero without begging the ADs to sell you one :-)

[nevi]

Hi, I'm also a newbie.

Any recommedation of trusted grey seller for rolex and panerai?

Thanks

[Oceanklassik]

For a start, you may consider to approach the forum advertisers.

[Hairymonster]

[QUOTE=benade;523527]As this will be my 1st time buying a PAM.. Will not know what to check when dealing with gret dealer.
If anything go wrong with the watch or some items that was miss out from the package.. I think is a bit difficult to go back to them.

Just like buying car from AD and PI...[/

Just to share a see thru case back model should have
1. The watch serial no. Like N1234/1500
2. The case back number OP6799 or etc
3. The movement number engraved

All these numbers should match the warranty booklet, with some study you should actually know what is normally come with a complet set, the last round I buy from Ad in turkey, they had not include the rubber crown protector too.
As all these premium watch is build with extreme care to perfection, if you think the quality does not match your expectation, just walk away from the sale.

[louie]

[QUOTE=Hairymonster;529966]

As this will be my 1st time buying a PAM.. Will not know what to check when dealing with gret dealer.
If anything go wrong with the watch or some items that was miss out from the package.. I think is a bit difficult to go back to them.

Just like buying car from AD and PI...[/

Just to share a see thru case back model should have
1. The watch serial no. Like N1234/1500
2. The case back number OP6799 or etc
3. The movement number engraved

All these numbers should match the warranty booklet, with some study you should actually know what is normally come with a complet set, the last round I buy from Ad in turkey, they had not include the rubber crown protector too.
As all these premium watch is build with extreme care to perfection, if you think the quality does not match your expectation, just walk away from the sale.

all panerai models comes with engraved OP/BB/Production nos except vintage...