Help me to decide.....

[fondriest]

A budget for a time piece only depends on how long a buyer can save up his cash before say "Blowing his load" so too speak on a particular time piece. People who have the ability to set goals and buy what they want rather than settle for what they can afford at the time when the craving itch strikes hard. It is all about buying at the right time, buying when things are down and having the confidence to know prices will go back up because these pieces are real collectors items.

I personally would rather keep that Casio/Seiko on my wrist a little longer to remind me and drive me to work harder and smarter towards my goals, whatever they may be, rather than settling for something I know will fall in value the day I walk out of the AD.

As for being a member of the BBQ 360 club, congratulations, but after seriously giving it some consideration, I will say the same that some others have said, it is not for me, wearing anything with a fake patina is not what I would consider worthy of wearing, just flipping.

Eh, whatever you say ErnieH / Dewi / Robert or whatever your moniker / husband & wife name is. You see, from where we all come from, if someone wants to buy an entry level A-class Merc, there's really no point flashing SLS AMG telling him thats the car he should be saving up for, failing which; he should just get back to taking public transportation. That's tantamount to bigotry.

[Watcha]

Not everyone who can afford will buy vintages.
Not vintage person = not vintage person.
Like some will not stay landed even if they can afford.

312 n 351 are both nice. If will be 351 from popular demand.
As for the look department is personal. I chose 312 previously
as I like gold hands but prefer steel n black dial.

My take now is try 351, like it, chiong.

[FullHouse]

End of the topic discussion, the final decision will still lie on the buyer who startled the topic plus he must know what's to get out the best watch he wanted and best deal in town!!!
Our recommendation and options are only & mainly secondary decision to his final say!let's move on and needless to comment anymore,my 3 cents info!!

[Dewi P.]

Eh, whatever you say ErnieH / Dewi / Robert or whatever your moniker / husband & wife name is. You see, from where we all come from, if someone wants to buy an entry level A-class Merc, there's really no point flashing SLS AMG telling him thats the car he should be saving up for, failing which; he should just get back to taking public transportation. That's tantamount to bigotry.

End of the topic discussion, the final decision will still lie on the buyer who startled the topic plus he must know what's to get out the best watch he wanted and best deal in town!!!
Our recommendation and options are only & mainly secondary decision to his final say!let's move on and needless to comment anymore,my 3 cents info!!

One final point, invest in to a watch that will gain or at least retain it's value and not decrease in value. When talking PAM's the best choice that I know of right now is one that someone will have to save up for and not rush out tomorrow to buy unless they can afford it is the 5218-201/A Logo watch. Prices range from 33k USD up to 41K USD but it is truly a good buy and will never go down in value unless it fluctuates with world economies. In fact there are a couple of well known high end used Panerai dealers out there right now advising clients too not even sell their 201/A, 202/A & 203/A as they are destined to rise in price and are going up because demand is rising every day and these are very rare pieces with very limited quantities.

As for a 360, their prices have already peaked and leveling out, if I owned one, I would flip it and buy a Pre V in a heartbeat.

[stektan]

One final point, invest in to a watch that will gain or at least retain it's value and not decrease in value. When talking PAM's the best choice that I know of right now is one that someone will have to save up for and not rush out tomorrow to buy unless they can afford it is the 5218-201/A Logo watch. Prices range from 33k USD up to 41K USD but it is truly a good buy and will never go down in value unless it fluctuates with world economies. In fact there are a couple of well known high end used Panerai dealers out there right now advising clients too not even sell their 201/A, 202/A & 203/A as they are destined to rise in price and are going up because demand is rising every day and these are very rare pieces with very limited quantities.

As for a 360, their prices have already peaked and leveling out, if I owned one, I would flip it and buy a Pre V in a heartbeat.

Frankly speaking, i think this has been discussed before and in general, watches are never great investments and if investment is the intent, there are other instruments. Yes there are multi-millionaire with the means to play with exqusite watches (and I know quite a few lurk here) but even for the average watch lover, we need to be careful about telling everyone to only invest in watches that will gain and not decrease in value. I get tickled when people tell stories of how much money they made on a watch, like how they make a killing on the stock exchange. What they don't tell you is how much losses they have also made on watches or stocks.

So if people ask me what watches to buy, I always tell them to buy the one they like and can afford. Yes, it is true that some brands and models hold better value than others but it's not a guarantee and hence, if one is to buy it purely as an investment, better to go buy some dividend blue chip stocks and that's even risky.

[winsguy]

351 for the tobacco dial. pair it with a nubuck tobacco strap. wow!

got pics? come come, show time............

[winsguy]

As a newie panerai owner like me, feel that since i able to buy a Pam will be lucky and fortunate whom a member just mentioned earlier. Next, I just feel proud n don't bother of what's other ppl own as everyone have difference tastes in appreciating the watches too! If you (winsguy)like the model you want just go,grab and own it. My conclusion is there will be no end in owning a watches you love as more and more models will be coming soon,cheers!

I'm looking for a great good start on pam, that's why need some opinions. When things started good, eventually interest will be there to go on and on naturally...

[winsguy]

still counting ........351 supporters. Great to know we all have the same liking!
stektan
feilong108
Daivaan
breitling77
Oceanklassik
psee
LaiDaWei
roguehog
Watcha

[LaiDaWei]

Frankly speaking, i think this has been discussed before and in general, watches are never great investments and if investment is the intent, there are other instruments. Yes there are multi-millionaire with the means to play with exqusite watches (and I know quite a few lurk here) but even for the average watch lover, we need to be careful about telling everyone to only invest in watches that will gain and not decrease in value. I get tickled when people tell stories of how much money they made on a watch, like how they make a killing on the stock exchange. What they don't tell you is how much losses they have also made on watches or stocks.

So if people ask me what watches to buy, I always tell them to buy the one they like and can afford. Yes, it is true that some brands and models hold better value than others but it's not a guarantee and hence, if one is to buy it purely as an investment, better to go buy some dividend blue chip stocks and that's even risky.

Well said Bro stektan.

[zameenzahari]

A budget for a time piece only depends on how long a buyer can save up his cash before say "Blowing his load" so too speak on a particular time piece. People who have the ability to set goals and buy what they want rather than settle for what they can afford at the time when the craving itch strikes hard. It is all about buying at the right time, buying when things are down and having the confidence to know prices will go back up because these pieces are real collectors items.

I personally would rather keep that Casio/Seiko on my wrist a little longer to remind me and drive me to work harder and smarter towards my goals, whatever they may be, rather than settling for something I know will fall in value the day I walk out of the AD.

As for being a member of the BBQ 360 club, congratulations, but after seriously giving it some consideration, I will say the same that some others have said, it is not for me, wearing anything with a fake patina is not what I would consider worthy of wearing, just flipping.

One final point, invest in to a watch that will gain or at least retain it's value and not decrease in value. When talking PAM's the best choice that I know of right now is one that someone will have to save up for and not rush out tomorrow to buy unless they can afford it is the 5218-201/A Logo watch. Prices range from 33k USD up to 41K USD but it is truly a good buy and will never go down in value unless it fluctuates with world economies. In fact there are a couple of well known high end used Panerai dealers out there right now advising clients too not even sell their 201/A, 202/A & 203/A as they are destined to rise in price and are going up because demand is rising every day and these are very rare pieces with very limited quantities.

As for a 360, their prices have already peaked and leveling out, if I owned one, I would flip it and buy a Pre V in a heartbeat.

Ok first of all, my apologies to the initial poster. To your question, I'd say go for the 351. Its dial is cleaner than the 359 (again personal preference here. So its a toss between the 351 and the 312- I'd take the 351 because I prefer the gold hands and the the Ti as compared to SS. Good luck with your hunt and the best advise I can give is pick the piece that sings to you the loudest.

You know mr _____ (fill in the blanks here..it can either be 5218-201a/Robert/ErnieH/Dewi P....), this is the thing I don't get. You (in another thread) bashed 360 owners for selling the piece and then proceeded to call out MOST of the P.com forummers to be hypocrites etc. Then in this thread, twice you advocated the sale of the 360 if you had received the call (which is lucky for all of us you didn't)...so it seems really confusing to me.

Then as usual, you will make all thread to something about you and your collection. The poster asked for opinion on 359, 351 and 312 and the first thing you mentioned was the 339 which if you're lucky to get it at retail, will be twice the list price of the pieces the poster asked. Then you went on your pre-v collection which we all know you have- good on you- but seems to me more OT than the 339 (at least you can still get 339 for retail as of today). As another poster asked, what is the point? you have these amazing pieces that we all would have love to have and I do admire (the pieces but not the owner) and why do you need to keep bringing it up in unrelated thread? did you assemble those in your garage from OEM parts that you would need validation by shoving it down our throats? (I know a poster on p.com who keeps posting his logo that we all know is a franken piece).

And I'll pass your good "investment" advice to sell my 360 and get a pre-v piece. As much as you don't like the newer pieces, increasing value or not, I have never get to a point to pay so much for flaking tritium hands and a piece that retailed for EUR 1500. You just enjoy your pieces (which Im sure you bought only to flip later) while I enjoy mine. I am sure most of us would feel the same way too.

Now go trolling somewhere else...

[Dewi P.]

Ok first of all, my apologies to the initial poster. To your question, I'd say go for the 351. Its dial is cleaner than the 359 (again personal preference here. So its a toss between the 351 and the 312- I'd take the 351 because I prefer the gold hands and the the Ti as compared to SS. Good luck with your hunt and the best advise I can give is pick the piece that sings to you the loudest.

You know mr _____ (fill in the blanks here..it can either be 5218-201a/Robert/ErnieH/Dewi P....), this is the thing I don't get. You (in another thread) bashed 360 owners for selling the piece and then proceeded to call out MOST of the P.com forummers to be hypocrites etc. Then in this thread, twice you advocated the sale of the 360 if you had received the call (which is lucky for all of us you didn't)...so it seems really confusing to me.

Then as usual, you will make all thread to something about you and your collection. The poster asked for opinion on 359, 351 and 312 and the first thing you mentioned was the 339 which if you're lucky to get it at retail, will be twice the list price of the pieces the poster asked. Then you went on your pre-v collection which we all know you have- good on you- but seems to me more OT than the 339 (at least you can still get 339 for retail as of today). As another poster asked, what is the point? you have these amazing pieces that we all would have love to have and I do admire (the pieces but not the owner) and why do you need to keep bringing it up in unrelated thread? did you assemble those in your garage from OEM parts that you would need validation by shoving it down our throats? (I know a poster on p.com who keeps posting his logo that we all know is a franken piece).

And I'll pass your good "investment" advice to sell my 360 and get a pre-v piece. As much as you don't like the newer pieces, increasing value or not, I have never get to a point to pay so much for flaking tritium hands and a piece that retailed for EUR 1500. You just enjoy your pieces (which Im sure you bought only to flip later) while I enjoy mine. I am sure most of us would feel the same way too.

Now go trolling somewhere else...

Zameen, How do you think the owner of that collection was able to afford these types of watches, by throwing his money away on pieces that were going to decrease in value, like you? But then let's face it, you are no stranger to selling a Richemont PAM and losing large amounts of money. What did my friend I just off the phone with tell me to ask you, Robert told me to ask you how much you lost on that PAM 195 you were pratically giving away on Paneristi in October/November/December 2010?

[toffeesthings]

Zameen, How do you think the owner of that collection was able to afford these types of watches, by throwing his money away on pieces that were going to decrease in value, like you? But then let's face it, you are no stranger to selling a Richemont PAM and losing large amounts of money. What did my friend I just off the phone with tell me to ask you, Robert told me to ask you how much you lost on that PAM 195 you were pratically giving away on Paneristi in October/November/December 2010?

Dewi, while one can appreciate your advice (based on your opinions) to the TS, one would hardly appreciate your jibe at Bro Zameen 'divesting' (a terminology that seems valued by your good self) his Pam195 at a loss.
It is his prerogative to let his go at whatever price he deems fit just as it is yours to deem that the pre-vendome models are the only ones worth collecting.
What might not be within your (and your other alleged identities of Ernie, Mingwen etc) right is to pooh-pooh others of their Panerai collection and decision-making liberties. While some hardcore purists believe that only pre-vendome models are worth collecting (and in any case, hardcore Panerai purists will be advocating Anonimo and Ennebi Fondale), do note that there are also significantly more rational (and sometimes less obsessed) buyers who simply adore the aesthetics and heritage of the brand without the deep pockets or the opportunity (some were bitten by the PAM bug after it was bought over by Richemont) to own Pre-vendome models. To echo my sentiments with Bro Zameen (perhaps due to my prolateriat upbringing), I see little point in paying a massive premium for pre-Vendome models that differ very slightly from current models, especially when they cost much less previously that does not justify its current predatory pricing. The cash saved can be used for other watch or even humaitarian pursuits. That said, I respect your collection and your collection philosophy but surely you (and your other personas) can adopt a more congenial approach that is less elitist that can be occasionally and somewhat construed as condescending.

[zameenzahari]

Zameen, How do you think the owner of that collection was able to afford these types of watches, by throwing his money away on pieces that were going to decrease in value, like you? But then let's face it, you are no stranger to selling a Richemont PAM and losing large amounts of money. What did my friend I just off the phone with tell me to ask you, Robert told me to ask you how much you lost on that PAM 195 you were pratically giving away on Paneristi in October/November/December 2010?

1- piece was not mine but a friend's
2- what was the retail price of a 195?? EUR 3900
3- it was sold more than twice retail..so I don't really get what you are saying

[KuchingKu]

Go for 351 TS. Tobacco and titanium is a good combo.

[FullHouse]

Bygones by Bygones!!! All this issues are just comments and own judgments as we all know that each has it own perception! Since everyone has difference views, we should just enjoy our wrists time pieces rather than showing or posting what the majority wants or
Wish lists!
Next, don't compare or need to show what's you have as not everyone in this form keen to know or wish to follow your styles or tastes too.
Finally, those who have more valuable timepieces or arsenal will never tell or show what's they have as they are the most humble ones or heroes who they will never surfaces too, cheers !!
World Peace to everyone in this forum!!!