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  • #16
    Cannot lah. only have budget for a PAM watch.....
    Current Collection
    1.Panerai 104Q
    2.Hublot Classic Fusion Titanium
    3.Panerai 630S

    Gone with the wind
    1.Tag Heuer 2000, Aquaracer Alarm, F1 Chronometer, Aquaracer Calibre 5, F1 Date Grande
    2.Ball Hydrocarbon "Mad Cow"
    3.Sinn U1
    4.Rolex Explorer 2(40mm), Explorer 2 (42mm)
    5.Panerai 111K, 312L, 000N, 359O
    6.Steinhart Aviation, Triton, Nav B-Uhr II
    7.Baume & Mercier Riviera
    8.Breitling Skyland Avenger, SuperOcean 44
    9. Tissot Touch II, T-Race Auto, Racing T-Touch
    10.Tudor Fastrider

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    • #17
      all boils down to $, preference, fit ..... but between the 2, i will take the 104

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      • #18
        for me i will go for the brush 1950 casing. polish and brush combination really brings out the watch.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bearbearfury View Post
          Dear PAM Collectors,

          Can you give me some advice? I was thinking to upgrade my PAM to a automatic as i am tired of winding my PAM 111...I was thinking of 104 or 312.

          I am drawn to PAM 104 as it is much affortable as it can be obtain under $7000 from grey dealer and it has the the same casing as PAM 111. The things i do not like of PAM 104 is the non clear back and the crownguard. Thew newer entry level PAM has already upgraded their crownguard except PAM 104.

          For 312, i like everything except that i read the review in the forum that it looks bigger and fatter than the entry level PAMs due to its casing and the higher price than PAM 104. i have a small wrist about 6.5 inch and i am worried it looks awkward on me.
          I assure u gonna like the 312 wif no issue over your wrist at 6.5" . Mine was a puny 6.3" & I love how it look on me " Here my pam351 similar case size in titanium "

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          • #20
            Originally posted by johnfish View Post
            I assure u gonna like the 312 wif no issue over your wrist at 6.5" . Mine was a puny 6.3" & I love how it look on me " Here my pam351 similar case size in titanium "
            Really love the 351, it has a nice class to it! But $1k exp than 312.

            312 on the wrist! You will grow to love it. I know I did!!!

            104 is nice, esp the chromy look. But bear in mind it gets scratched more easily than the brushed casing of 312, so it may be more obvious, esp if you wear it as a daily beater!
            Current babies:
            Sub 16610LN D series
            PAM 312 M series
            IWC 500112 Laureus Limited Edition

            Wish list:
            116613LB?
            a good White dial watch

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            • #21
              cool....so many people say 312 is the best... think i will get 312!
              Current Collection
              1.Panerai 104Q
              2.Hublot Classic Fusion Titanium
              3.Panerai 630S

              Gone with the wind
              1.Tag Heuer 2000, Aquaracer Alarm, F1 Chronometer, Aquaracer Calibre 5, F1 Date Grande
              2.Ball Hydrocarbon "Mad Cow"
              3.Sinn U1
              4.Rolex Explorer 2(40mm), Explorer 2 (42mm)
              5.Panerai 111K, 312L, 000N, 359O
              6.Steinhart Aviation, Triton, Nav B-Uhr II
              7.Baume & Mercier Riviera
              8.Breitling Skyland Avenger, SuperOcean 44
              9. Tissot Touch II, T-Race Auto, Racing T-Touch
              10.Tudor Fastrider

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bearbearfury View Post
                cool....so many people say 312 is the best... think i will get 312!
                312 !!! u will be impress wif the weight on your wrist bro trust me bro " go for the kill "

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                • #23
                  Yes. 312 is a more complete watch and worth the price. The movement and 3day reserve is worth the extra cost. Go for it.

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                  • #24
                    ok, i decided to get the 312 after so many positive feedback on 312!!! Thanks.
                    Current Collection
                    1.Panerai 104Q
                    2.Hublot Classic Fusion Titanium
                    3.Panerai 630S

                    Gone with the wind
                    1.Tag Heuer 2000, Aquaracer Alarm, F1 Chronometer, Aquaracer Calibre 5, F1 Date Grande
                    2.Ball Hydrocarbon "Mad Cow"
                    3.Sinn U1
                    4.Rolex Explorer 2(40mm), Explorer 2 (42mm)
                    5.Panerai 111K, 312L, 000N, 359O
                    6.Steinhart Aviation, Triton, Nav B-Uhr II
                    7.Baume & Mercier Riviera
                    8.Breitling Skyland Avenger, SuperOcean 44
                    9. Tissot Touch II, T-Race Auto, Racing T-Touch
                    10.Tudor Fastrider

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bearbearfury View Post
                      ok, i decided to get the 312 after so many positive feedback on 312!!! Thanks.
                      Good choice!!! Congrats!
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                      • #26
                        Yea bro! Get the 312! The 1950 case + sandwich dial + display back is great!!!

                        Btw bro, what do you mean by "The newer entry level PAM has already upgraded their crownguard except PAM 104."???

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by shuseido View Post
                          Yea bro! Get the 312! The 1950 case + sandwich dial + display back is great!!!

                          Btw bro, what do you mean by "The newer entry level PAM has already upgraded their crownguard except PAM 104."???
                          Cos the crown guard is the older style type.
                          Current Collection
                          1.Panerai 104Q
                          2.Hublot Classic Fusion Titanium
                          3.Panerai 630S

                          Gone with the wind
                          1.Tag Heuer 2000, Aquaracer Alarm, F1 Chronometer, Aquaracer Calibre 5, F1 Date Grande
                          2.Ball Hydrocarbon "Mad Cow"
                          3.Sinn U1
                          4.Rolex Explorer 2(40mm), Explorer 2 (42mm)
                          5.Panerai 111K, 312L, 000N, 359O
                          6.Steinhart Aviation, Triton, Nav B-Uhr II
                          7.Baume & Mercier Riviera
                          8.Breitling Skyland Avenger, SuperOcean 44
                          9. Tissot Touch II, T-Race Auto, Racing T-Touch
                          10.Tudor Fastrider

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bearbearfury View Post
                            Cos the crown guard is the older style type.
                            I guess he is referring to non-symetric CG ( Non-SLY tech CG)

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                            • #29
                              I have relatively slim wrists of abt 6.5" too and personally, I prefer the 1950 casing (of Pam 312) to the standard Luminor casing (of Pam 104) ... Suggest you try on the watches and see which sings at you more ...

                              Some wrist-shots ...

                              Pam 275 (with 1950 casing)


                              Pam 88 - sold a while ago (with standard Luminor casing)
                              运筹帷幄 决胜千里

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bearbearfury View Post
                                ok, i decided to get the 312 after so many positive feedback on 312!!! Thanks.
                                get the 104,not worth paying the extra $$$ for a 312..the 3day power reserve is rubbish,its just like any other automatic watch.
                                the 312 is heavy n uncomfortable like i mentioned in earlier post.
                                if u track back a few mths in sg-roc postings,there were many pre-owned 312 on sale in the market..many of the sellers did not even own the watch for more than a year.these are some of the tell tale signs about the 312..
                                u will not go wrong with the 104..go for it!

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