Breaking News: Richemont do not verify Panerai watches anymore

[tpmmark]

jw horological gallery, u can goggle his no and all the details is there.
i just went there last tues, at pickerng st, great eastern center, opening hrs 12-4pm i think.

[Fred_Tan]

Teach u guys a trick that Richard & James of TWT had taught me & others in 2007.
The initial objective of this trick is to scrimp on the $85 for verification at R.

Bring ur watch along to R (it doesn't matter new or old or still have sticker or tags).
U can go with buyer, that's e best so that he/she/they can see e proceedings, live!
So make an appt during R's office hour & meet up.
Just walk into R once every1 is here.
Tell R recep lady ur watch is slow.

The recep lady will wrap ur watch in a pouch & bring ur watch inside e lab for technician to measure the +/- accuracy on a tool.
It'll take just 15min.

Inside e lab, the technician will look at e case, hands, dial, crown, crown protector, bezel, crystal and open up ur watch backcase & check e mvmt bridges, gears, escapement, regulator, pinions, o-ring, seal, mvmt number engraving, OP engraving, hidden OP engravings (for in-house mvmt), hidden ETA engraving (for ETAmvmt) and also look individual & e serials no engravings on the case with a loupe before he check e accuracy & adjust e regulateur, if adj is necessary.

If e tech find one single part tat's not OEM or fake or the whole watch is fake, he will close e backcase & return u e watch & the recep will tell what they have found. And, they will not regulate ur watch.

So, the tell tale sign is if they dun wanna regulate ur watch & return it without any comment, ur watch is fake.

If e recep came out & tell the watch is OK or they found no prob or they tell u e watch had been regulated or need servicing or need repair, then ur PAM/FER is real for 1000% sure, every part SANS e bracelet, strap & buckle which they dun check even when u pay $85 prevously.

That means if ur watch has been regulated or no need to regulate & e recep tell u nothing is wrong, e tech has not found any parts that's fake on e mvmt bridge, case, bezel, crown, stem, hub, escapement, regulateur, hands, dial, crystal, gears, pinions, screw, nuts & etc.
The items they check are 100% equal to authentication which they no longer do.

It's free and I do this all e time when myself/buyers/owners want to verify with no hastle & dun need e letter of authentication.
If they advice u to repair or service, every part sans bracelet, strap & buckle of ur watch is definitely real.
And, u have e option not to do e service, ignore their advice & take ur watch back or do it & they will give u a quotation.

All this only take 15min.
You still can do this today.

Remember, dun say anything.
Just bring ur watch & walk in like u just won Big Sweep 3mil lottery.
Tell e recep it's slow...dun care if ur watch is new & just purchased 15 min ago.
No need to bring box, paper.
Just bring a smile.
And wait for e ladies to come out again.

If e lady come out & say all is well, watch has been check and regulated/not regulated or need servicing, u r good to go (watch head is 100% authentic lar)!
If e lady come out & return e watch to u & said nothing, or say they can't help u, or say ur watch is fake, then u better run.

Cheers.

BTW, u call pull this stunt at all Official Service Ctr, worldwide

[clokwerk oranje]

Fred thx for the tip... But does it also apply to Base PAMs?

If RSC ask how do we know that the watch is slow if there's no seconds counter?.. Unless the watch is off by minutes, I can't think of a reasonable excuse...

[BRABUS]

Teach u guys a trick that Richard & James of TWT had taught me & others in 2007.
The initial objective of this trick is to scrimp on the $85 for verification at R.

Bring ur watch along to R (it doesn't matter new or old or still have sticker or tags).
U can go with buyer, that's e best so that he/she/they can see e proceedings, live!
So make an appt during R's office hour & meet up.
Just walk into R once every1 is here.
Tell R recep lady ur watch is slow.

The recep lady will wrap ur watch in a pouch & bring ur watch inside e lab for technician to measure the +/- accuracy on a tool.
It'll take just 15min.

Inside e lab, the technician will look at e case, hands, dial, crown, crown protector, bezel, crystal and open up ur watch backcase & check e mvmt bridges, gears, escapement, regulator, pinions, o-ring, seal, mvmt number engraving, OP engraving, hidden OP engravings (for in-house mvmt), hidden ETA engraving (for ETAmvmt) and also look individual & e serials no engravings on the case with a loupe before he check e accuracy & adjust e regulateur, if adj is necessary.

If e tech find one single part tat's not OEM or fake or the whole watch is fake, he will close e backcase & return u e watch & the recep will tell what they have found. And, they will not regulate ur watch.

So, the tell tale sign is if they dun wanna regulate ur watch & return it without any comment, ur watch is fake.

If e recep came out & tell the watch is OK or they found no prob or they tell u e watch had been regulated or need servicing or need repair, then ur PAM/FER is real for 1000% sure, every part SANS e bracelet, strap & buckle which they dun check even when u pay $85 prevously.

That means if ur watch has been regulated or no need to regulate & e recep tell u nothing is wrong, e tech has not found any parts that's fake on e mvmt bridge, case, bezel, crown, stem, hub, escapement, regulateur, hands, dial, crystal, gears, pinions, screw, nuts & etc.
The items they check are 100% equal to authentication which they no longer do.

It's free and I do this all e time when myself/buyers/owners want to verify with no hastle & dun need e letter of authentication.
If they advice u to repair or service, every part sans bracelet, strap & buckle of ur watch is definitely real.
And, u have e option not to do e service, ignore their advice & take ur watch back or do it & they will give u a quotation.

All this only take 15min.
You still can do this today.

Remember, dun say anything.
Just bring ur watch & walk in like u just won Big Sweep 3mil lottery.
Tell e recep it's slow...dun care if ur watch is new & just purchased 15 min ago.
No need to bring box, paper.
Just bring a smile.
And wait for e ladies to come out again.

If e lady come out & say all is well, watch has been check and regulated/not regulated or need servicing, u r good to go (watch head is 100% authentic lar)!
If e lady come out & return e watch to u & said nothing, or say they can't help u, or say ur watch is fake, then u better run.

Cheers.

BTW, u call pull this stunt at all Official Service Ctr, worldwide

Haha nice one bro ,
I've use this trick before in Rolex SC , works great , but the only thing is i told them my watch is slower by a few minutes every week but turn out the lady at RSC told me its in fact faster by a few minutes , make me feel so MALU .
I just told her i had too many watch , can't remember which is faster and which is slower . Hehe.....

[Fred_Tan]

Yes, even for base

Fred thx for the tip... But does it also apply to Base PAMs?

If RSC ask how do we know that the watch is slow if there's no seconds counter?.. Unless the watch is off by minutes, I can't think of a reasonable excuse...

Yes, the accuracy tool listen for vibration at 5 position. So even ur watch has no second hands, it will still be check & regulated if needed

[Fred_Tan]

Btw guys & gals, pls do not conduct buy/sell transaction at any service ctr reception lobby.
The reason why R stop authentication is partly due to this reason.
Having monkeys like us crowding put their business premises with all our boxes, papers, bags, books & goodies send e wrong message to R other client that could mistake R for selling watches and worst taking up e seats, free kopi & sodas

[Fred_Tan]

Oso gives buyer e peace of mind

Oh yes, aside from using this trick to authenticate for free, this tactic of slow watch check & regulation request can oso give buyer more info if anything inside e watch is falling apart, dirty, worn out or defective.

One stone, kill 2 birds!

[clokwerk oranje]

Yes, the accuracy tool listen for vibration at 5 position. So even ur watch has no second hands, it will still be check & regulated if needed

Again thk u Fred... Sharing is indeed caring... Hoping that anyone that's going to exercise your tip use it wisely & responsibly...

[patricia]

Fred-- Appreciate that you have shared your method to us but I hope you do realise that people in RSC do visit this site too and dont you think you should have done it more discreetly.

You are putting the geniue owners who really have problem with their watches at more inconvenience with RSC if they come out with more rules.

[Oceanklassik]

Tx for sharing these tips with us. I'm sure it'll benefit many here.

[Fred_Tan]

R can come out with more rules.
Definitely.

But can they say no ppl who bring e watch for checks?
Can they say no to ppl without a warranty card?
Can they they refuse to check a new watch with tags & stickers?

The answer is no.
Why?
Because checking e watch service which include regulating the accuracy is a basic service.

Imagine this.
I bring my new or old or any watch to a official service ctr and ask them to check it if there anything wrong and to appraise if service or repairs or replacement of parts are needed,
Before the service ctr can commence e repairs, service & replacement, they have to open my watch, right?
Without opening my watch, e technicians cannot accertain the works that need to done, of don't need to be done, right?

When e techs open at e watch service Ctr open ur watch, aside from looking for wear, tear, grime, dust, inaccuracy, defect, dirt & damage, they also check e watch & parts correctness & authenticity, right?

And, once they know for sure ur watch & parts are correct & real, they will tell e receptionist who in turn will explain to u what u need or dun need to do, right?
You will get a qoutation, right?

And you can back out, right?
There is nothing wrong here.
Getting ur watch check for accuracy, damage, defect, swapped parts, wrong parts, fakes, dust, grime & dirt for free is not against e rule.
You are not taking any advantage against any loophole.
You are merely exercising your right as a consumer!

It is not against e rule & no merchant, business entity, service ctr can come out with any rule to prevent this!
Getting ur watch checked and if it turn out to be frankenstein or fake, damaged, defective, abused & etc is your every right to get a quotation or rejection to service by e vendor.

This a fundamental trade common law.

[seiko.citizen]

As much as i hate to say this, soon you will have a system, where people will have to pay $300 upfront, and the $300 is offset the service bill only if you go ahead. This is what they do in electronics repair. Stops people coming in with phones that have been dunked in water and dried out from trying to claim "warranty".

[KuchingKu]

All I can say is....honesty is the best policy.

[kadios]

After paying so much premiums for a watch, I feel there must be certain benefits given to owners/customers, be it sellers or buyers (potential owner, customer), it's not fair to discriminate as both are PAM owners, let alone add surcharge for basic service. The pre-sales and sales process are important, to complete the whole loop, post sales service is equally important. It's with this, then can a brand distinguish itself and provide a total, complete and satisfying customer experience.

[Keith8896]

Sometime things do not need to be so clear

All I can say is....honesty is the best policy.