Breaking News: Richemont do not verify Panerai watches anymore

[Oceanklassik]

But seriously, take a step back and ponder this:

How many of us here read in depth into a product and/or service before we make the commitment to acquire it. I know there are some who will because it is a good habit to, but what about the others (who don't). How many here (bothers) to read up or find out at least 90% of that particular item that you are buying?

Think I'll create a thread on this for healthy discussion. Go to Kopitalk

[KuchingKu]

Knowledge is power. Authentication is just paying for service of another person's knowledge.

Else buy the seller who has good reputation or a real shop at a slightly higher price.

Problem is, some people don't want to invest time to gain knowledge, but want cheapest hunts.

[seiko.citizen]

Knowledge is power. ...

x2. Without knowledge, you might as well throw your money down the drain

[Oceanklassik]

I tend to believe that it is an individual's priorities in life. If a person has a deep passion for automobiles and automobiles is the one and only hobby that can keep him/her in psychological equilibrium, then he will (or should) read up and study in depth in a particular car model that he can afford and to acquire over time. Yes, and that's your point on "knowledge is power".

However, if this same person's other hobbies included that of photography, watches, collecting stamps, etc, then he may not put in that extra effort, as deeply as that on automobiles, to find out how he should correctly go about buying those items. And this my friend, is your reference on "paying for service of another person's knowledge".

This further explains why some, like yourself, can confidently buy a pre-own, even new watches, on your on knowledge and experience, whereas some others don't/dare not. When I first started out this hobby in horology, few of my friends told me NEVER, NEVER to buy any expensive/luxury watch online, whether locally or overseas, and only to buy from reputable shops in Singapore. Me, being new, simply believed them. Well, I've progressed; not too much but gradually.

So there are still many out there that both you and me do not know and who, I'm sure, will need and want to seek professional authentication of watches.

Tx for reading

[FullHouse]

Passion + Interest = Right Purchase
Prior to it, i think we just need to excercise our basic senses eg. do your homeworks in purchasing the watch to ensure you get the best of it then all the rest will be put to rest and in peace of min too,cheers

[heng1028]

sorry for my first post. I have just call up RIchemont in KL today and i have been told that they dont do validation but they will need to send it back to the 'factory' according to them and it will take months.

then i ask her if they do service the panerai in KL or not and i was told the same thing that they will send it back to factory and it takes months as well.

anyway, i just bought a PAM111 from a friend with all the boxes and stickers with matching numbers. Just that i cant see the movement number in the watch.

Mine is H0086/2000 OP6567. What get me feel uncomfortable is that a lot of fakes are using OP6567, can anyone confirm this?

also how many PAM111 was made in year 2005? can anyone confirm its 2000 units?

thanks in advance

[zameenzahari]

sorry for my first post. I have just call up RIchemont in KL today and i have been told that they dont do validation but they will need to send it back to the 'factory' according to them and it will take months.

then i ask her if they do service the panerai in KL or not and i was told the same thing that they will send it back to factory and it takes months as well.

anyway, i just bought a PAM111 from a friend with all the boxes and stickers with matching numbers. Just that i cant see the movement number in the watch.

Mine is H0086/2000 OP6567. What get me feel uncomfortable is that a lot of fakes are using OP6567, can anyone confirm this?

also how many PAM111 was made in year 2005? can anyone confirm its 2000 units?

thanks in advance

1)Here's the link to the millesimation database (how many units per production year): http://www.paneristi.com/reference/s...stimation.html


2) Richemont Service Centre in Singapore has stopped the service of authentication recently. I doubt that even by sending it to "factory" would solve that (BTW, I think the person you spoke to dont know what she's talking about coz that's what they usually say when they dont know- "we have to send to factory...."

3) Try and give Richemont Singapore a call on servicing and gauge the time from them. Anyway, 111 runs on ETA-based movement. Any good watch service person should be able to do the job...in house movement on the other hand, would need to go back to Neuchatel!

Hope that helps

[leslie]

Actually no need to authenticate....2

All papers, stickers and numbers are linked. Furthermore, I think Richemont no longer has the bandwidth to authenticate Panerai watches. It is kind of tricky. Certain series has polished crown guard for example. Please give them some leeway. It is not a situation whether they want to please a customer or not. Already they are facing some shortage in skilled watchmen.

And btw, a complete set 312, 351 and etc. new range is not possible to fake.

Lastly, Panerai not easy to fake as a set certainly. Because Panerai keeps changing!!! Box different, guarantee cards different, in-house mvmt has no cards and etc.

Do you seriously think that the AD's watch technician can spot the difference between a real wheel and a not-real wheel? Frankly, they can authenticate the general detail of a Panerai but not the micro details.

And is there a good fake 233 out there where it can do "simi-sai-also-have function??" I doubt..

My 2 cents

But there was an incident at RSC whereby the technician told one uncle that one of the links on his bracelet is an after-market..

[hypersocial]

also, it does not just affect panerai, all brands under richemont cannot be authenticated. this is what is conveyed to me.

Siao liao, means my hope of buying from grey mkt AP ROO is gone!!!

[hypersocial]

Siao liao, means my hope of buying from grey mkt AP ROO is gone!!!

PAisei, I suddenly remember AP not under Richemont....

Hopefully AP Singapore doesn't follow suit.

[m33pok]

Richemont confirmed they do not/ cannot do verification anymore. the best they can do is to open up the caseback and provide you with the movement number now!

so, where does this bring us?

do richemont charge for the opening of caseback?

[leeye]

do richemont charge for the opening of caseback?

Richemont don't provide free service

Any other reputable watch service shops can open the case back and close it back properly (with the proper pressure test).

[Ray_Watches]

If it gets so hard to sell in the future, I don't think I will put my $$ in the watch be it new or preown. Maybe they are confident that this move will not affect their brand in the long run. I guess only time will tell.

[KuchingKu]

If it gets so hard to sell in the future, I don't think I will put my $$ in the watch be it new or preown. Maybe they are confident that this move will not affect their brand in the long run. I guess only time will tell.

Was at Richemont and spoke to my friendly Assistant Manager. Richemont stand (for all their brands) is that they shold focus their business in selling new watches and servicing. It is not their focus to dedicate staff time to help the used watch market florish.
Sounds reasonable to me but I never had to pay them to authenticate all these years. Only go there when buyers insist on authentication. 10 out of 10 times, watch no issue.

[patricia]

Was at Richemont and spoke to my friendly Assistant Manager. Richemont stand (for all their brands) is that they shold focus their business in selling new watches and servicing. It is not their focus to dedicate staff time to help the used watch market florish.
Sounds reasonable to me but I never had to pay them to authenticate all these years. Only go there when buyers insist on authentication. 10 out of 10 times, watch no issue.

Agree with you.