I think the 312 must be selling so well that it has become Pam's bread and butter model. Just saw the M serial picture in some other forum. Got a shock
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Originally posted by Seventh Son View PostI think the 312 must be selling so well that it has become Pam's bread and butter model. Just saw the M serial picture in some other forum. Got a shockCheck out my Amateur Watch Blog @ http://parte-di-tempo.blogspot.sg/
tsetse the fly hard to make more $$$ so can buy more timepieces
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that's like 4 times the production run for the 233L series. Personally still find it's cousin (104) more appealing ..... then again the 351 is not too shabby as well
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Originally posted by Dmaul77 View Postthat's like 4 times the production run for the 233L series. Personally still find it's cousin (104) more appealing ..... then again the 351 is not too shabby as well
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Originally posted by Seventh Son View PostI am ok with the 104 EXCEPT the CYCLOPS! Dun prefer Pams with the cyclops thingy. Hope to get the 351 once the prices starts to stablise, the prices will be sky high as with every new Pam released.Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712G
Audemars Piguet 15400ST.OO.1220ST.02
Rolex Seadweller 126600
Rolex Deepsea Seadweller 116660
Rolex Submariner 16610
Tudor Pelagos LHD
Panerai 233
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Bell & Ross BR03-92 Phantom
Sinn Ultimate U
Sinn U2 S
Sinn U1 Black (Stealth)
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Dievas Shadow
Vihelm Talos (Blue)
Vilhelm Elemental (Gunmetal)
Zelos Hammerhead Bronze
Tag Heuer F1 Chronograph (White)
Seiko Arctura Kinetic Chronograph
Seiko Sportura Kinetic Chronograph
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Actually unlike rolex, the production run from PAM is only about 40,000- 50,000 per year. So it is untrue there are millions of ETAs out there. Over 10 years perhaps. This is versus an estimated production run of more than 1 million rolex per year.His: AP ROO, Hublot BB, PAM 24/29/183/372, Chopard L.U.C 2000/Mille Miglia, Rolex Milgauss 116400 GV/Sub 16610 LV/1680 "Red Sub"/GMT Master 1675/GMT Master II 16760 "FAT LADY"/Seadweller 16600/DSSD 116660, Tudor 94010 "Snowflake"/94200 "BIG Block"/Heritage Chrono/Black Bay, Omega Seamaster 2254.50/2538.20
Hers: AP ROO & AP Millenary, Cartier Santos, Chopard Happy Sports & Cannes Fest, PAM 49, Rolex Explorer1 214270
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Originally posted by desfrie View PostActually unlike rolex, the production run from PAM is only about 40,000- 50,000 per year. So it is untrue there are millions of ETAs out there. Over 10 years perhaps. This is versus an estimated production run of more than 1 million rolex per year.
Rolex makes about 800K to 900K watches a year spread among all its models.
Rolex definitely makes more watches than Pams.
As to bread and butter.....some models are more B&B. For example.....at one time, 116/118 were made in 3500 pcs....then 111/112 in 4000 pcs.....then 104 in 4000 pcs....then 312 in 4000 pcs. Some others are mostly in 300, 500, up to 1000 pcs. It's all their marketing strategy.
Good for consumers cos more pcs for people to buy and wear.
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Originally posted by KuchingKu View PostAll the past models of Pams made with ETA put together definitely has a million around. Sorry about using loosely 'millions'.
Rolex makes about 800K to 900K watches a year spread among all its models.
Rolex definitely makes more watches than Pams.
As to bread and butter.....some models are more B&B. For example.....at one time, 116/118 were made in 3500 pcs....then 111/112 in 4000 pcs.....then 104 in 4000 pcs....then 312 in 4000 pcs. Some others are mostly in 300, 500, up to 1000 pcs. It's all their marketing strategy.
Good for consumers cos more pcs for people to buy and wear.
Regardless of value i would still keep and love my pam though! But just a tot to the majority of consumers in the world though.Check out my Amateur Watch Blog @ http://parte-di-tempo.blogspot.sg/
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Originally posted by tsetse View PostIm wondering if pams increase their production volume to like say half of rolex, would value drop sharply? Cos now they are adopting a limited production and ADs are keeping the watches and telling walk in customers out of stock all the time.
Regardless of value i would still keep and love my pam though! But just a tot to the majority of consumers in the world though.
Pam is no where near that status but it has a following among some younger collectors.
All said, I also still love my Pams and can't imagine not having at least a few pams in my collection.
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Yes it is all based on demand and supply given the high demand for PAM 312. Even the PAM 292 has a production run of 1500 pieces this year. This is good for consumers like us as ADs will not sell to us a a premium but at least at list price. Just 2 months ago, the 292 was going for above list at almost 12k at ADs.His: AP ROO, Hublot BB, PAM 24/29/183/372, Chopard L.U.C 2000/Mille Miglia, Rolex Milgauss 116400 GV/Sub 16610 LV/1680 "Red Sub"/GMT Master 1675/GMT Master II 16760 "FAT LADY"/Seadweller 16600/DSSD 116660, Tudor 94010 "Snowflake"/94200 "BIG Block"/Heritage Chrono/Black Bay, Omega Seamaster 2254.50/2538.20
Hers: AP ROO & AP Millenary, Cartier Santos, Chopard Happy Sports & Cannes Fest, PAM 49, Rolex Explorer1 214270
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Originally posted by KuchingKu View PostFor sure value will drop. You try bringing a Pam to a pawnshop and see if you can get a price? Jewellery and Rolex can. Rolex is almost proxy to cash in some countries. That's the reason why they can make and still sell 900K pcs.
Pam is no where near that status but it has a following among some younger collectors.
All said, I also still love my Pams and can't imagine not having at least a few pams in my collection.
Originally posted by desfrie View PostYes it is all based on demand and supply given the high demand for PAM 312. Even the PAM 292 has a production run of 1500 pieces this year. This is good for consumers like us as ADs will not sell to us a a premium but at least at list price. Just 2 months ago, the 292 was going for above list at almost 12k at ADs.Check out my Amateur Watch Blog @ http://parte-di-tempo.blogspot.sg/
tsetse the fly hard to make more $$$ so can buy more timepieces
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aren't you people glad these old uncles don't 'believe" in Pams? If they are into Pams, there will be a greater demand and the price will shoot up again. They will be fighting with you young guns for those 500/1500/2000/4000 limited production of Pams.
btw I am still stuck in the mud uncle, who enjoys Rolex and Omega, and not Pam yet.
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