Buying PAM001 or PAM111

[nickng]

Hi guys,

Which will you guys pick and why?

A PAM001 (preowned, excellent condition & full set with box & papers) or brand new PAM111. Considering the PAM001 is cheaper by about S$500.00 only.

Which can hold a better resale value?

[Watcha]

resale right now pam 1 should be better i think as discontinued.

choosing by look depends on:

1. painted vs sandwich dial

2. solid vs see thru back.

3. the feeling of new

I vote for pam 1 if price is good.

[Daytonalover]

Hi watcha,
1. Does painted or sandwich dial make a difference or matters? Which one is better?
2. Does see thru back commands a higher value than solid back?

[nickng]

Oh, in terms of pricing, both are at S$6k+

Ya man, I also wonder is painted dial better than sandwich too. I look left & right still couldn't spot much difference leh. But i realized that the painted version glow brighter than sandwich dial. Correct me if I am wrong please.

[Watcha]

Hi watcha,
1. Does painted or sandwich dial make a difference or matters? Which one is better?
2. Does see thru back commands a higher value than solid back?

1. Both are luminova so its a preference of look. sandwich IMO more classic. painted more "stands out". you will see when both side by side.

2. See thru model cost more usually if similiar model. more expensive to have sapphire for you to admire movement. also see thru model have swan neck regulator. cost more => sell higher.

Oh, in terms of pricing, both are at S$6k+

Ya man, I also wonder is painted dial better than sandwich too. I look left & right still couldn't spot much difference leh. But i realized that the painted version glow brighter than sandwich dial. Correct me if I am wrong please.

Its not better, just look la. Some say painted glow better. I tried myself in the dark, sandwich glows better le.

If u can ask for when last serviced. If 3-4 yrs ago then soon richemont will be 500 richer. got to consider that. more if buying inhouse movement models, 1K, from what others posted.

Still good condition PAM 1 i vote.

[nickng]

Wow! Ok ok, will go for PAM001 then.

Hmm, Like that better not buy in house movement lor, every 3 to 5 year kana S$1k servicing penalty very "siong" man

Was actually thinking of going for the PAM312 after settling for my PAM001, since it is 1950 in-house movement, has date and see-through sapphire crystal back. Now, not sure if willing to part another S$9k+ for it liao.

[Democritus]

Wow! Ok ok, will go for PAM001 then.

Hmm, Like that better not buy in house movement lor, every 3 to 5 year kana S$1k servicing penalty very "siong" man

Was actually thinking of going for the PAM312 after settling for my PAM001, since it is 1950 in-house movement, has date and see-through sapphire crystal back. Now, not sure if willing to part another S$9k+ for it liao.

If you want to buy a Pam 1 (L dial) and 312....would be better combining the fund to by a Pam 1A (T dial). Then, retaining value is no issue.

[nickng]

If you want to buy a Pam 1 (L dial) and 312....would be better combining the fund to by a Pam 1A (T dial). Then, retaining value is no issue.

Oh no. Oh no.... more confusing now.

So what is the difference between the PAM001 "L dial" against PAM001A "T dial"???

Also must provided if it is available for sale since it was produced in 1998 right?

Is PAM001C ok for value preservation too?

[Democritus]

Oh no. Oh no.... more confusing now.

So what is the difference between the PAM001 "L dial" against PAM001A "T dial"???

Also must provided if it is available for sale since it was produced in 1998 right?

Is PAM001C ok for value preservation too?

Panerai produced 1500 piece of Pam 1 A series...all using T-dials. then, they started making 1B...also in T-dial. After a while (rumoured to be less than 200 pieces), they switched to L dial. For C onwards, it's all L dials.

They were all sold at the same list price then (less than US3K). At its peak, Pam 1A went for over 20K, 1BT over 15K, 1BL and 1C for the price you mentioned.

Yes, the Pam 1A/1BT are still available from time to time but price of entry is in the high 10s.

Pam 1C should hold value but don't expect much appreciation. It is basically same as a 111 with a older movement.

[nickng]

Hi Democritus, so does it mean between 1C & 111. I should go for brand new 111, since it is brand new & has a newer movement? And the 1C is priced only about S$500.00 cheaper

[Democritus]

Hi Democritus, so does it mean between 1C & 111. I should go for brand new 111, since it is brand new & has a newer movement? And the 1C is priced only about S$500.00 cheaper

It's your call....depending on what you like. Hard for others to decide for you.
Some pointers to help...I'm trying to be as neutral as I can be.

New 111.
+ Brand New piece
+ Newer model and movement
+ No worry of serivicing cost as it will be covered for 2 years
- Sure to depreciate quite a bit if you use it and sell it as used next time
- Plenty in the market

Old Pam 1C
+ Price is very stable since it has long been discont. So use for a while and sell it won't lose much. Whether will appreciate or not is anyone's guess.
+ More historic with hard case back
+ Rarer than 111
- Not a highly sought after piece
- Old so must make provision for servicing anytime

Have you considered the titanium 177 or older 61? Pay a bit more. Esp 61 with tobacco dial which is rarer these days.

[nickng]

Ya man, 111 resale quite bad. Think 001 still better value. Not considering others at the moment. Thinking of getting a brand new 233 for next year's budget leh. Now broke liao