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P3000? Any model example.. -
The models don't really matter, it's basically a simple manual wind 3 day PR. It's not a comment on whether it's good or bad, just that the p4000 price delta versus p3000 makes it really worth the premium. Panerai is definitely after market share of new target audience whom aren't really into all the DNA blah blah that paneristi usually lust overOriginally posted by clocking View PostComment
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Yes sir I get your point..Originally posted by klim View Post
Like 449 448 sweet! But if go for cheap 424 425 almost DNA am I right..Comment
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The 425 is nice, not exactly cheap lah. The 448/449 comes with plexi though, so that one lagi more DNA, haha.Originally posted by clocking View Post
There is a reason why pam399 is sooooo expensive. Anyway OT Liao, can't wait to see the 572 in the fleshComment
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Ya lol OT liao sorry TS..Originally posted by klim View Post
Why not have small meet up we can exchange point of view.. What you say Pam lover oops OT lagi, sorry TS just try my luck.. So who with me hehe...Comment
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I would agree on it being the most exciting piece of the 2014 lineup just because of the introduction of the p4000 micro-rotor automatic movt...Originally posted by klim View Post
Though I am not too sure if going 39mm in case size will do it as the movement itself is at 31mm...(if I get what you are saying)...unless you literally mean thickness?
Luminor case thickness is roughly around 13.5mm and the p4000 thickness is 3.95mm which means , if you shave off 5mm from the normal 44mm case thickness , the watch will be at a thickness of 8.5mm which I am not sure if the crystal , hands , dial plus movement could be house at that measurements on top of making it 100m water resistance...
'It ain't how hard you hit;
it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
How much you can take, and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.'Comment
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Missed this post...lol.Originally posted by klim View Post
Well for now , no confirmation on the full specs of the casing except that the p4000 movt is quite a small and thin movement...31mm in diameter and 3.95mm in thickness...
Prolly we will see something a bit thicker then the thinnest Radiomir 42mm Pam 337/338 which is at 11.5mm thick...though it houses the p999 movement instead which is only 3 mm thick...
'It ain't how hard you hit;
it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
How much you can take, and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.'Comment
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Some live images of the 572 which has hit the boutique...
'It ain't how hard you hit;
it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
How much you can take, and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.'Comment
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Such an exciting piece...
p.s. pics courtesy of Thomas.
'It ain't how hard you hit;
it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
How much you can take, and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.'Comment
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nice...but if the hands have the "pencil" look,it will be sexier.
btw i have a noob quesion.why do people cover the production number when they post the pic?Comment
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Couple of reasons actually...Originally posted by P1723 View Post
1) So as not to be utilized by the counterfeiters. They can just pick a number out of the 2000 limited pieces but most often then not, the production numbers are usually wrong.
Production numbers are the BB XXXXXXX or PB XXXXXXX. This group of numbers is the reference of this watch, which is equivalent to the identity card number. For each different watch, this number will be different.
2) To avoid fraud/scammers utilizing the same pic to scam others, showing that they have a genuine piece in hand but when buyers ask for the numbers to check if it belongs to a certain models, either they gave wrong numbers or fail to provide one. Due diligence on buyer side.
3) To keeps the grey dealers in business. By covering the numbers, it prevents manufacturers from determining if the watch is being offered via the grey market. And also to protect dealers who sell out through their back door to grey dealers.
4) Cause others does it. Doesn't matter if one knows the reasons or not. Others does it, so just follow.
'It ain't how hard you hit;
it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
How much you can take, and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.'Comment
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oh ok...i showed once hahahaComment
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Point 3: what is this back door?Originally posted by Ryuden View PostCouple of reasons actually...
1) So as not to be utilized by the counterfeiters. They can just pick a number out of the 2000 limited pieces but most often then not, the production numbers are usually wrong.
Production numbers are the BB XXXXXXX or PB XXXXXXX. This group of numbers is the reference of this watch, which is equivalent to the identity card number. For each different watch, this number will be different.
2) To avoid fraud/scammers utilizing the same pic to scam others, showing that they have a genuine piece in hand but when buyers ask for the numbers to check if it belongs to a certain models, either they gave wrong numbers or fail to provide one. Due diligence on buyer side.
3) To keeps the grey dealers in business. By covering the numbers, it prevents manufacturers from determining if the watch is being offered via the grey market. And also to protect dealers who sell out through their back door to grey dealers.
4) Cause others does it. Doesn't matter if one knows the reasons or not. Others does it, so just follow.
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To me, this is the most interesting and most logical answer on why the serial numbers are being erased out and warrant a post by itself in order to further explain it.Originally posted by snoop View Post
Some grey dealers have many stocks and most of them are BNIB. They get these stocks from an AD who have been supplying through the "back door" (unauthorized).
Grey Dealers are those who could be selling new watches they are NOT AUTHORIZED to sell. These are genuine watches made by the luxury brands.
Makers of fine watches only sell them through Authorized Dealers and Distributors. Luxury watches arrive at the AD directly from the factory where the watch was made. Each major brand carried by an AD can come with agreement requirements for initial inventory and future inventory. And these agreement also comes with a certain amount of inventory sales $$$$$$ sums which the ADs need to fulfill through the sale of the brand watches.
Occasionally these agreements cause smaller ADs who have made large purchases to be left with excess inventory. Sometimes they will sell this extra inventory to unauthorized dealers in order to clear their inventory and fulfilled the $$$$$$ sum as stated in their agreement.
This is just one way the grey market gets unauthorized inventory at wholesale prices. Then,Grey market Dealers sell these watches at higher discounts than those allowed by the manufacturers to the ADs. Illegal? Well, in some ways, and this practice also violates the reseller agreement between the authorized dealer and manufacturer of the luxury watch.
And some, due to long relationship with the ADs, helping the ADs clear the excess inventory, the Grey Dealers are able to get brand new released pieces before anyone else.
More often then not, the Grey Dealers also happen to be a VIP and always inside the ADs list for those exclusive pieces
So by erasing the serial/production numbers, its hard for the manufacturers to track the source of the Grey Dealers which if found out, will definitely void any future agreement between the manufacturer and the AD.
Hope this helps.
'It ain't how hard you hit;
it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
How much you can take, and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.'Comment
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To me ,587 will be a better choice.
Price $10,100 USD
Pictures from :http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....historical-dna & http://www.watchesbysjx.com/2014/10/...-radiomir.html
More details here:http://www.watchesbysjx.com/2014/10/...-radiomir.html
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