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  • Where are these brands heading?

    Ever since I presented the 5 kopi-talk awards, I have wanted to share my thoughts on brands that are declining or are struggling to establish themselves. However, while I have my own feel of what some of these brands are, I realise I cannot back up with statistics in naming those as declining or struggling. Hence, this article intends to pose a question and not make a statement. The last two candidates might be surprises to some but they should be viewed with the subject title in mind.

    Anonimo

    Seen by some as the poor cousin of Panerai, the latest offerings from Anonimo show its effort to move away from that connection which was once its selling point. One journalist titles his review of the Basel 2013 collections “The rebirth of Anonimo”, but I find them highly resembling some of the JeanRichard watches. Not enough evolution to differentiate itself in the war of dive/military watches, I am afraid.

    Azumith

    I have shared my views about this local brand at least twice in this forum but for the sake of completeness I shall repeat here. A watch manufacturer that has not already established itself as a high-end luxury brand needs some or at least a profitable flagship model for the mass market and Azumith lacks just that. The focus on “design & engineering”, as the brand try to communicate, is admirable. Many of its models are creative and are fun to play with, but are more suited for collection and less practical for use by the average folks. No new models announced in the past 3 years (correct me if I am wrong), is a worrying fact. I have had few dealings with Alvin Lye, one of the co-founder, since the Holland V days and like him as a person. I sincerely hope he sells enough watches to sustain or even grow the business and place Singapore in the world map of horology.

    PS. I spare you from my opinion of the “sea-hum”

    Graham

    This British clock maker turned watch maker appeared to be near success at one point at the back of some aggressive marketing. Its gigantic lever crown guard differentiated itself from the competition, but we all know who won the battle of huge crown guard. Although its watches offered arguably the highest discount off the list price (40% or so), Graham is no longer carried by any authorised dealers here in Singapore today. Will U-boat have the same fate?

    Longines

    It is sad that a brand with such significant history and great potential is being positioned at the same level as Rado and Union Glashutte. All three are grouped under the “High Range”, a second tier category, within the Swatch Group. Once in the forefront of technology, Longines has become one of the many also-rans using the ETA movements. Could it had done better had it (had the resources) to remain independent? I personally believe so. I wish the CEO wakes up one morning and decide to rebrand it.

    Tudor

    The “sub brand” of the most popular watch brand is somewhat successful, in complementing Rolex and less so in itself. I base that on the fact that I have very rarely spotted someone wearing a Tudor watch, excluding those seen on forums. Nevertheless, the existence of Tudor is important as it allows Rolex to stick to its proven identity and yet be able to compete in the lower segments outside its territory. So far, the most sought after Tudor watches are either those with a Rolex DNA, or, in the more recent time, the heritage/re-edition series. True new model such as the Fastrider announced this year continues to be the side show, although Rolex has tried very hard to establish Tudor as a recognised brand by its own merit. Which direction is Tudor heading in long term, should be seen as part of Rolex overall strategy, and is of great interest to many watch enthusiasts.
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    Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

    Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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    azimuth
    i luv mr roboto, very interesting & cool watch
    im attract towards their innovative watches

    tudor
    can't wait for black shield to launch in sg

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    • #3
      I think Longines seems poised to go upscale with its latest offerings, moving away from stock ETA movements to some interesting exclusive extensively modified ETA movements such as the calibre L688 column wheel chronograph. However, it would require alot of work to reposition the brand to the mass market. I think Longines lacks an identity and it's designs seem all over the place. To overcome this, it would have to come up with an iconic design or revive one from its history. The Longines Legends Diver seems to be a good start in this aspect.

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      • #4
        Not sure if I agree on Tudor but I think Bell & Ross and Baume & Mercier are losing their appeal and market.
        I can resist anything but temptation. - Oscar Wilde

        Current collection
        A.Lange & Sohne Grand Langematik
        Audemars Piguet ROO
        Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Dark Knight)
        De Bethune Titan Hawk (DB27)
        Habring2 Pilot Time Date
        Harry Winston Midnight Big Date
        Hublot Aerobang Skeleton
        IWC Portuguese Perpetual Calendar
        Panerai 270
        Patek Philippe 5711/1a
        Rolex 116610LV
        Vacheron Constantin Overseas

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        • #5
          Yes, I feel for the brands mentioned above, in particular for Longines as it certainly deserves higher in the Swatch Pecking order. A brand with such deep history to be upstaged by the likes of Leon Hatot is alarming. I reckon that Swatch needs a recognized brand like Longines to lure buyers into the world of horology but the likes of Rado, Certina and Hamilton can do that job. While not Breguet or Blancpain, the Longines brand ought to be closer to where Breitling and Omega are. In fact, I'd boldly state that Longines have more aesthetic character than Omega; a real about pity their current market position.

          As for Anonimo, it has taken pains not to be perceived than a cheaper alternative to Panerai and has done a better job than Ennebi Fondale but the recent new designs have taken it to JeanRichard territory. No offence to JeanRichard that wants to be positioned as an elegant, yet quirky avant garde brand but I do wonder if my brand was to be perceived as an alternative, would I rather it be an alternative to JeanRichard or Panerai?

          Speaking of which, my heart goes out to JeanRichard that has yet to break out of the shadow of Girard Perregaux that is mired in some mess itself.
          Sweet 16:
          PP Aquanaut
          VC Overseas
          AP ROO Black Themes
          A.Lange & Sohne 1815
          Breguet Type XXI
          Blancpain 50 Fathoms
          JLC Navy Seals
          GO Senator 60s
          GP Laureato
          Zenith Pilot Extra Special
          Rolex DSSD
          IWC Big Pilot
          Pam 112
          Omega Ploprof
          Breitling Super Avenger
          Glycine F104

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          • #6
            Longines is selling like hot cake in china... As for Azimuth, boutique in MBS still around. Hehe. JR seem to be quite impressive this year with their diver watch fitted with in-house movement, but whether market will absorb is another issue. Graham still sponsoring alot of sport events but profile in Sg is limited. If I am not wrong, there a fan base for Anonimo in Sg, the former management was here a few years ago to host private event with some owner. They look the same despite change in management recently. Only difference as most mentioned already is that they distance themselves as the originator of PAM. Tudor is just like Rolex, sxxxx!
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            • #7
              Firstly, if like to state that I'm just another layman buyer. My opinions are solely my views on some of the brands mentioned. I'm not familiar with all of them but have read about and show interest in some.

              azimuth
              im not very familiar with this brand. One reason is cos of their pricing.i personally don't think their offerings are very competitively priced. I agree their designs borders in the weird for me. I reckon they should try to design something indicative lay unusual yet eye charging and practical. Something along the lines of seven Friday. I youth they founders are still in the company though it has been sold to a foreign concern?

              anomino
              i think they are trying too hard in the wrong direction. Or maybe their designs do not appeal to me. I find their finish not exactly a good fit with their prices.

              graham
              They seem to be over relying on one design element across several product lines.

              tudor
              well at least they have found their direction, albeit relying on old design manuals and history. Btw, I was told the black shield is retailing at around sgd8k in Switzerland. Well sometimes there's no need to build a better mousetrap.

              baume et mercier
              an under rates brand with some nice watches. They have to do more to lift themselves up.
              I don't have enuf watches but I will stop buying now!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by roguehog View Post
                azimuth
                im not very familiar with this brand. One reason is cos of their pricing.i personally don't think their offerings are very competitively priced. I agree their designs borders in the weird for me. I reckon they should try to design something indicative lay unusual yet eye charging and practical. Something along the lines of seven Friday. I youth they founders are still in the company though it has been sold to a foreign concern?
                I am not aware of this "foreign concern" thing. The current company registered address for Azimuth is still the landed property that Alvin used for his preowned watch business before setting up Monster Tiime @ Far East Plaza. And I still see him on the Azimuth fb site so I believe he is still at the helm.
                Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

                Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by r1_77 View Post
                  azimuth
                  i luv mr roboto, very interesting & cool watch
                  im attract towards their innovative watches
                  Good that you support our local brand. I wanted to do that too but don't see myself wearing any of them. Will try again...
                  Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

                  Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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                  • #10
                    The shrinkage in the supply of ETA movements to brands outside the Swatch Group is slowly but finally taking its effect and changing the watch scene.

                    Some brands, including Frederique Constant, have resorted to producing its own movements or getting from another source. Perhaps there is a better business case now for a movement supplier over a watch manufacturer?
                    Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

                    Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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                    • #11
                      Azimuth is on my radar for a long time. But too many commitment now. And it is prioritize after Jaeger.. Hope they are still around when I am ready in few years time. Hehe
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                      • #12
                        Quick thoughts Longiness need a boost to the techincal aspects and a bit more spin to elevate its status. It has many classic watches and strong history. It is really a pity to confine this brand to just a pure design watch running on ETAs... A lot more can be done. Once its techincal prowess is build I think it can rival other brands....

                        Azimuth is IMHO losing a bit of direction.. It does not have flag ship model as pointed out by the a lot of bros... It need to design something to define its mold whether it is a sports watch kind of brand or a classic watch kind of brand... Rolexes has always been sports watch base patek, VC are the classical watches... If it wants to be Sport watch base it needs to focus on on something other than divers watches cos there is simply too many watches major and micro brands doing them. One thing that coems to mind Golf, or Yacht masters type will be a good start...
                        "He could not just wear a watch. It had to be a Rolex." �Ian Fleming, Casino Royale (1953)

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                        • #13
                          Longines is popular in China. Positioning at mid range, well made watches. Their use of ETA is natural as its from the same group.
                          Much better than some brands that use ETA and selling at higher end prices. ETA customize movements for longines.
                          Audemars Piguet Ball Bell&Ross Cartier IWC Longines Omega Panerai Rolex Sinn Tissot

                          Alba Casio Citizen Roox Seiko

                          Wanted to add PP but bo lui

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                          • #14
                            I can agree with the underlined statement.

                            Originally posted by Watcha View Post
                            Longines is popular in China. Positioning at mid range, well made watches. Their use of ETA is natural as its from the same group.
                            Much better than some brands that use ETA and selling at higher end prices. ETA customize movements for longines.
                            I travel to China for business quite often. Maybe I should wear a Longines then
                            Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

                            Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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                            • #15
                              Wow you do business in china and dun know they wear longines? Kidding right? You should wear swatch group JD, as most official and rich wear that other that VC.
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