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  • #76
    Originally posted by pegasi View Post
    1st - 10th: 1,644
    11th - 20th: 3,302
    21st - 30th: 4,782
    31st- 40th: 6,183
    41st - 50th: 7,608
    51st - 60th: 9,133
    61st - 70th: 10,894
    71st - 80th: 13,186
    81st - 90th: 16,366
    91st - 100th: 30,379

    If your total household income exceeds $30K per month, congratulation - your family is among the top 10%.
    Thanks. This is useful.
    I can resist anything but temptation. - Oscar Wilde

    Current collection
    A.Lange & Sohne Grand Langematik
    Audemars Piguet ROO
    Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Dark Knight)
    De Bethune Titan Hawk (DB27)
    Habring2 Pilot Time Date
    Harry Winston Midnight Big Date
    Hublot Aerobang Skeleton
    IWC Portuguese Perpetual Calendar
    Panerai 270
    Patek Philippe 5711/1a
    Rolex 116610LV
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Hiroki
      If my total household income $1.200 per month.?
      Then you must be doing something illegal to be able to afford the watches you have...
      Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

      Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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      • #78
        Not only ownign watches but that big white snake as wel... LOL Hiroki...
        "He could not just wear a watch. It had to be a Rolex." �Ian Fleming, Casino Royale (1953)

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Throttle
          Gulp, i look left look right look up look down, all the people around me household income exceed $30k easily leh...
          Not everyone is at the same place as you, bro.
          Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

          Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Throttle
            Gulp, i look left look right look up look down, all the people around me household income exceed $30k easily leh...
            really? wow. a husband and wife combined income is over $30K? Bankers or partners in the Big 4 auditing firm?
            I can resist anything but temptation. - Oscar Wilde

            Current collection
            A.Lange & Sohne Grand Langematik
            Audemars Piguet ROO
            Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Dark Knight)
            De Bethune Titan Hawk (DB27)
            Habring2 Pilot Time Date
            Harry Winston Midnight Big Date
            Hublot Aerobang Skeleton
            IWC Portuguese Perpetual Calendar
            Panerai 270
            Patek Philippe 5711/1a
            Rolex 116610LV
            Vacheron Constantin Overseas

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            • #81
              I hope most of you would feel you (and your "household") are not doing too badly after looking at the numbers...
              Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

              Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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              • #82
                Then indeed I am (doing not so good)
                The Crown Of Achievement

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Oceanklassik View Post
                  Then indeed I am (doing not so good)
                  Iszit? Ok lah your beers on me tomorrow
                  Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

                  Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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                  • #84
                    The highest household income ranking by races

                    1. Others
                    2. Indians
                    3. Chinese
                    4. Malays

                    No racist jokes please.
                    Watches are like potato chips - You never stop at one

                    Never political, seldom diplomatic, always honest

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                    • #85
                      Wah! Look at the figures... me doing quite bad...

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Oceanklassik View Post
                        Then indeed I am (doing not so good)
                        come come i offer some relief to my beloved bro...buy u beer when we meet (maybe i can attend this sat).
                        I can resist anything but temptation. - Oscar Wilde

                        Current collection
                        A.Lange & Sohne Grand Langematik
                        Audemars Piguet ROO
                        Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Dark Knight)
                        De Bethune Titan Hawk (DB27)
                        Habring2 Pilot Time Date
                        Harry Winston Midnight Big Date
                        Hublot Aerobang Skeleton
                        IWC Portuguese Perpetual Calendar
                        Panerai 270
                        Patek Philippe 5711/1a
                        Rolex 116610LV
                        Vacheron Constantin Overseas

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                        • #87
                          Me not doing well as well
                          。・゚゚・(>д<)・゚゚・。
                          "He could not just wear a watch. It had to be a Rolex." �Ian Fleming, Casino Royale (1953)

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                          • #88
                            In the Sprit of this heading check this site out... cheers and have a good weekend ahead bros...

                            http://www.moneysmart.sg/money-talks...t-impacts-you/
                            "He could not just wear a watch. It had to be a Rolex." �Ian Fleming, Casino Royale (1953)

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                            • #89
                              Thanks for the article. Very informative on car trade.

                              Originally posted by wolfeyes1974 View Post
                              Copy and paste from an article.

                              With the new restrictions from MAS on car loans and also on the New Tier Tax Structure on ARF taxes announced as part of Budget 2013, I thought I will list the following out to help people understand car buying in general in Singapore.

                              Car prices in Singapore are priced on the following:

                              A) OMV (Open Market Value): OMV is assessed by the Singapore Customs, taking into account purchase price, freight, insurance and all other charges incidental to the sale and delivery of the car from country of manufacture to Singapore. This means your beloved set of wheels actually costs lesser from the manufacturer and the OMV is not the selling price from the manufacturer to the local authorized dealer. If you are looking for the OMV of any vehicles, you are welcome to click on the following link:

                              http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publis...ket_value.html


                              B) COE (Certificate of Entitlement): This is pretty much self-explanatory. Every neighborhood Uncle / Aunties /Ah Gong / Ah Ma knows about the COE. We have Cat A, B, C, D, and E. For the benefit of discussion on private motor vehicles, we really only need to be looking at Cat A: (1600CC and below), Cat B: (Above 1600CC), and Cat E: (Open Cat, where we can use it for vehicles in both Either A or B).


                              There are a lot of critiques on whether the current COE system actually does what it was intended for, and also with many people crying for a revamp of the system, but I’m sure with the new MAS ruling and New Tier tax structure on the ARF announced just last night, these people probably would have wished that they have shut up instead because they just received 1 mega driver slap in their faces from our ruling party despite predictions that COE prices will come down with the new MAS Ruling working hand in hand with the New Tax Rate Structure on ARF if Budget 2013 is approved and moved in Parliament. (mildly is my guess).

                              C) ARF (Additional Registration Fees) 100% of the OMV based on the existing ruling before Budget 2013. This translates to a pure gravy transfer from our bank account into the government coffer.


                              With Budget 2013, a new tier ARF tax structure is in place. If the OMV of your dream vehicle is;


                              Example: OMV of an Entry level BMW 320I is currently at $36, 486 (Based on the link above). The ARF for this vehicle will now be 100% of the first $20,000 and 140% of the remaining $16,486 which is $23,080. Adding both $20,000 and $23,080 gives you the final ARF of $43,080.

                              You are now paying an extra $6594 ($43,080 - $36,486) because the OMV is > $20,000. So in short, the higher the OMV, the more ARF you pay.

                              D) Excise Duty: 20% of the OMV. This is a straight up additional form of duty fees imposed on top of the ARF that goes straight to the Government account.

                              E) GST: 7% GST on the Custom Duty + OMV. A form of consumption taxes that is imposed to transfer your hard earned cash into the government account based on the value of goods that you have consumed.


                              F) Registration Fees of $140. (Well, someone needs to do the administrative tasks and all the paperwork required right? We have a first world civil services and they really need to be paid).

                              G) Vehicle Plate Fees of $30. You wheels needs to be properly identified and tag so that it makes our friendly “Summon Auntie” job easier. They do need to take down your car license plate if you have over parked or parked in a lorry lot (sounds familiar?), or for our brave TP who chases you down the PIE at 150km/h.

                              H) Whatever else more you paid on top of the 7 points above = Authorized Dealer’s profit. You can’t expect them to do all this for you for free, can you? Btw, this is a really very huge margin after you do your calculation. But I don’t blame them. They need to pay good commission to their Sales Executives and also on their marketing campaign (VW is really good at that I must say). In addition, as one of my friends, KC had pointed out, the AD also bears the Warranty of the vehicle for whatever amount of years they promised to you in the sales agreement, together with an "X" number of times of free servicing which they deem ok to dish out.


                              I) CEV (Carbon Emission Vehicle) Rebates or Surcharge: Finally, after all the 8 points above, we are finally getting some form of rebates (or Surcharges Ha-ha). To keep things simple, rebates are given from $0 to $20,000 if your vehicle is environmentally friendly and penalized with Surcharge from again $0 to $20,000 if it pollutes mother nature and our ozone layer.


                              To put things into perspective, I will provide an example of a cost breakdown of all factors listed above that makes up the car prices with the New Tier Tax Structure on the ARF with 2 examples below. (I.E. Friendly Family Toyota Altis 1.6L, and a Higher end Luxurious BMW 320I 2.0L )


                              * Assumption: I have not included the CEV into the calculations for both examples.

                              * I have also used the COE based on the 2nd Open Bidding for Month of Feb-2013 with the New Tier Tax structure on OMV > $20,000 in Example 2 below for the BMW 320I 2.0L

                              * Please also note that OMVs values are not always the same even on the same model of vehicles and they fluctuate with every shipment (mild fluctuation really). This in turns cause ARF values to change as well as Custom Duties and GST. Of course COEs are on bidded basics as well. Therefore car prices are always volatile.


                              Example 1: Toyota Altis 1.6L
                              1.OMV: $15,270
                              2.COE: $78,301 (Based on 2nd Open Bidding for Month of Feb-2013 for CAT A)
                              3.ARF: $15,270 (100% of OMV only since OMV is less than $20,000)
                              4.Custom Duty: $3,054 (20% of OMV)
                              5.GST: $1,283 (Based on 7% of OMV + Custom Duty)
                              6.Registration Fees: $140
                              7.Vehicle Plate Fees: $30

                              Total Cost of Car: $113, 348 (Add up all 1 to 7 together)

                              Borneo Motor List Price: $139,988 (Price with Guaranteed Gold COE within 3 months from Borneo website)

                              Difference: $26,640 (Translates to Profits for Borneo Motor or whatever they can keep after their operating costs are subtracted.)



                              Example 2: BMW 320I 2.0L
                              1.OMV: $36,486
                              2.COE: $92,667 (Based on 2nd Open Bidding for Month of Feb-2013 for CAT B)
                              3.ARF: $43,080 (Additional Tax Structure of 140% applies to excess $16,486)
                              4.Custom Duty: $7,297 (20% of OMV)
                              5.GST: $3,064 (Based on 7% of OMV + Custom Duty)
                              6.Registration Fees: $140
                              7.Vehicle Plate Fees: $30

                              Total Cost of Car: $182,764 (Add up all 1 to 7 together)

                              Performance Motor List Price: $216,800

                              Difference: $34,036 (Translates to Profits for Performance Motor or whatever they can keep after their operating costs are subtracted.)



                              In conclusion, I hope this article have helped car buyers understand what they are paying for when they go car shopping and also a deeper appreciation of the amount of money that really ends up with the government because if you look at both examples above, significant amount of what you paid for your car goes to them (Point 2, 3, 4, and 5)


                              With the new MAS ruling already in effect today, many are anticipating that COE will drop due to lesser demand as the lower middle class looks very likely to be squeezed out of the market with a 40% or 50% down payment depending on the types of car they would like to purchase. The middle and upper middle class would also be struggling to purchase a vehicle due to the same reason above and also with the additional higher monthly installment over a 5 years max loan tenure.


                              This maximum loan tenure of 5 years might also create an adverse impact on the bank’s interest rate (currently at 1.88%). It is highly likely that our banks will be increasing interest rates for car loans now due to shorter loan tenure and smaller amount of principal amount loaned.


                              My own prediction is prices of COE will drop but the drop will not be significant mainly because COE growth rate is currently reduced to 0.5% from February 2013 onwards and on top of that LTA has also reduced the amount of COE allocated from the total pool for CAT E: Open Category for which is usually used for Luxury Car further from 20% to 15%. With lesser supply, and steady demand. It is very unlikely prices will flucutuate wildy.


                              The rich will still be able to afford new vehicles as they are cash rich, but in a way they will also be paying more (alot more, really) because of the New Tier tax structure. The New Tier Tax Structure translates to a whopping increment of 180% tax imposed on cars with OMV > $50,000 and believe me when i say that is alot of additional cash they have to shell out just to own a supercar. (Porsche, Lamborghini, and Ferraris are no longer as cheap as it once was to them and if they really do purchase it, we can all shout "Hurray" because Budget 2014 will see those money translates into social spending, hopefully).


                              In all scenarios, I think the best thing to do now is to exercise constraints and prudence. Cash is King in Singapore. Waiting for the situation to play out and watching how these changes impacts the automobile industry as a whole and how the automobile industry reacts to them will be the better option for now.


                              Footnote: Entry Level Porsche 911 3.8L OMV average is $132, 053. And we are not even going to talk about Lambo or Ferraris where their OMV are in ranges of $350,000 and up. This translate to an ARF of $20,000 for the first Tier of OMV of 100% , $42,000 on the second tier between $20,001 to $50000 range at 140% , and a whopping $147,695 on the last tier for the remainer amount at 180%.


                              Effectively, the new ARF for a Porsche now is $209,695, a good $77,000 increase from what it was before. Think about what you want to do with all that money instead.
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                              • #90
                                Mr Throttle, your chor gang is at the top 10%. Many gia pik (take pen) dont even come close.

                                Mr Hiroki, at 1200, I start to suspect are you a greek. They say national sport of greek is tax evasion.

                                Mr Pegasi, that percentile list is really useful.
                                Audemars Piguet Ball Bell&Ross Cartier IWC Longines Omega Panerai Rolex Sinn Tissot

                                Alba Casio Citizen Roox Seiko

                                Wanted to add PP but bo lui

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