Update on the finding of my omega speedmaster mark 2

[Rolex116613]

Crippy and JAMYLIM, I think it is best for you guys to bring the watch to get it repaired.
If the watch is magnetized, Crippy do not have to take any responsibility. But if it is faulty by other ways, like gear damaged blah blah blah, I suggest Crippy to pay for the repair services.
After the watch issue has been resolved, Crippy, I suggest you sue this guy for harrasement, take the SMS with you as proof, chances of you winning is super high especially when religion is involved.
In no situation should the buyer curse the sellers religion and family when the seller is trying to resolve the issue with you.

But end of the day, it is his words vs yours, the best way to settle the dispute is still between you 2, do keep us update on this.

[exxondus]

I think crispy isnt too bad. In my case with another seller, i was sold a watch that eas definitely faulty. The movement had to be recalibrated and the crown thread was already worn.

Imo, the seller would at least have known the crown issue if not the movement issue. Anyway, repairs totaled 1.2k after i bought the so called advertised mint watch from him.

In additon the so called full box and paper advertised was fake too. Cos the box was not the correct box, the papers like the chronometer cert was missing as well.

Why i bought it? Cause i saw he has been a regular seller on this forum and i had never hamdle that model before so was not sure what to expect. In the end, i decided to give up and did not contact the seller for all the misrepresentation and hiding of facts.

[Penance]

I think crispy isnt too bad. In my case with another seller, i was sold a watch that eas definitely faulty. The movement had to be recalibrated and the crown thread was already worn.

Imo, the seller would at least have known the crown issue if not the movement issue. Anyway, repairs totaled 1.2k after i bought the so called advertised mint watch from him.

In additon the so called full box and paper advertised was fake too. Cos the box was not the correct box, the papers like the chronometer cert was missing as well.

Why i bought it? Cause i saw he has been a regular seller on this forum and i had never hamdle that model before so was not sure what to expect. In the end, i decided to give up and did not contact the seller for all the misrepresentation and hiding of facts.

i dont understand why u see a need to let things rest ?

u'll be doing a great favour to everyone by calling out the seller here

[JAMYLIM]

Hi. I wouldnt say he sat out with intention to cheat but simply doesnt want to take responsibility for it. He now can say his verbal guarantee also have terms. As to what term this is was not spelt out or made known to me at the time of transaction when i told him he must give me a month guarantee.
Anyway i see that he finally replied once this is a hot topic now. I will read all over what he said and try to address it from there although its difficult trying to type using my tablet keyboard. Thanks..

[JAMYLIM]

hi! Thanks for your help. Since u have previous dealing with him mayb you can tell me what was it like. I wouldnt say he is out to cheat but its his constant pushing away his responsibilityto address the problem that really piss me off. I tried to forget it and walk away thinking that my short business trip to K.L will help me get over it but when i see the watch on my return it just get to me and of course that still voice within me was saying why can i ever get let a young man almost half of my age to beat me to this and i just walk away quietly. Felt really stupid. Probably this experience will make me give up everything about watches.. No more selling or buying or trading.. Thanks.

[JAMYLIM]

Hi. Thanks for your contribution. U know the funny about this magnetism. When i meet with crippy that evening he related his past experience where one of his seller accuse him of magnetism when the watch he sold crippy develop some problem and when crippy said the same thing to me when i told him about the watch problem i was like isnt this is the same story he told me when we met. He told me how he refute that seller as he said he place his watch on the shoe rack and so how can it be magnetize. Similar when i took over that watch that night i wore it home. Took off to have my bath and place it on the piano key board cover. At about 10.40pm i took some photos of it on my coffee table. That night i wore it to sleep. I wore it to work the next day and at 11.54am i sms and told him that i notice that his watch is running about 15mins slow and im late for my appointment..where did this magnetism comes about i dont know. If my usual habit can cause it to be nagnetize then those watches i wear everyday would have develop similar problem. Thks

[JAMYLIM]

Hi! Early this year i bought a rolex datejust on Ebay from this Hong Kong seller. When the second hand fell off after a week we both work out a solution but since i dont have time to send it to Rolex Centre to have it repair which he agreed to pay for it was eventually return to him with a full refund. Its the way this damn thing was handle that pisses me off. We dont know for sure when was the last time he wore it and had he leave it somewhere and got magnetise without his knowing then of course he wouldnt know of it and so it becomes my problem. This experience really got me thinking how i am going to safe guard my own interest in future as a buyer or seller. Whether drawing some document is going to help.. Guess giving up all these is the best way of avoiding going thru such stress of dealing with someone like that.. Thks

[JAMYLIM]

Hi. Thanks for your contribution. Has anyone thought about the watch being magnetize prior handed to me. Do we know for how long he didnt wear it until the day he took it along in a box and handed it to me. Had it been magnetise during this space of time i am sure crippy would not know of it and therefore he was right in saying he has no knowledge of it. Would it be fair that i paid for the repair if its magnetize?
I'm glad that i still have all the sms transpire between us from the time i enquire about the watch until our last b4 i left for K.L.
No where did i curse his religion and if i really do so i would be cursing the very religion i embrace bcos we both share the same faith, same surname and it was on this basis that i told him i trusted him when i brought up the problem to him the first time and he said there is no inherent problem.. I told him "ok i trust a fellow christian brother.thks". And did i curse his family when i said "im sure your future kids will pick up some valuable lessons from you". Therefore if its genuine and honest act our kids will pick after us and simlarly if its a negative behaviour our kids will do likewise. Both instances can draw up valuable lessons because if my kid were to see me stole from someone they will say that is a wrong thing dad is doing so we mustnt follow or if the dad did a good thing they will say dad did the right thing lets learn from him. Isnt this a logic rather than a curse.? Typing on my tablet is tedious if not i would like to type down the entire sms transpire between us and everyone can see for themselves how this issue develop and it was like me begging him to address and resolve the problem. I have done all i can from suggesting he take it home and try it out for himself to see how the watch function to taking the watch for repair and return to me when its done..both of which he refuses. What else do i need to do.? I was so piss off that at one point i even offer to let him keep the watch for good because im so sick of it.. Its like going up against a wall. Thks

[JAMYLIM]

Paul,
Im glad you in it now. I will reply in detail tomorrow as its tenious trying to type on tablet. However i am surprise that you now say that "my perception then was that,as a seller, if the product is damaged after leaving the hands of the seller, it is not fair that the seller should be held responsible". Why is it then you didnt tell me this when i said you must guarantee me a month but instead u kept assuring my dont worry no problem. Seriously had you told me this i wouldnt have deal with you. Maybe you should make this clear to everyone here who may be your potential client so that they know that once the watch leave your hands into theirs it is no longer your responsibility..so that everyone is clear about this and decide whether they want to deal with you on this basis if this is your terms of guarantee.,the same verbal guarantee you gave me. Thanks. At least now i am clear about your terms.

[polarinda]

Why not just cancel the deal? It's very hard to pinpoint magnetism when it's invisible. Who got it magnetised? who knows? when was it magnetised? again who knows?

There's no way Jamy would have known the watch is magnetised when he first bought it, unless it was examined and tested by a Omega technician (at least for a few hours)before the deal. WHo does that kind of arrangement when buying? no one.

Maybe Crippy knew the watch was magnetised before the deal or maybe he doesn't, who knows? To challenge Crippy about magnetism is fruitless. He can always say the watch was running fine before handover. It's a dead end. Likewise, it's unfair to say Jamy magnetised the watch when he had it for just one day, unless he dropped it or was around strong magnetic fields. 15mins fast is a clear signs of erratic regulation and falls into magnetism category.

Common guys, it's just a watch. Get it demagnetised and split the bill.
I dun think Crippy would like to cancel the deal and hand back a possibly magnetised watch, if it was indeed running fine when he had it.
I dun think Jamy will want to keep a magnetised watch either.


Split the repair cost. Nobody wins and everybody wins.

There's no other way.

[polarinda]

Paul,
Im glad you in it now. I will reply in detail tomorrow as its tenious trying to type on tablet. However i am surprise that you now say that "my perception then was that,as a seller, if the product is damaged after leaving the hands of the seller, it is not fair that the seller should be held responsible". Why is it then you didnt tell me this when i said you must guarantee me a month but instead u kept assuring my dont worry no problem. Seriously had you told me this i wouldnt have deal with you. Maybe you should make this clear to everyone here who may be your potential client so that they know that once the watch leave your hands into theirs it is no longer your responsibility..so that everyone is clear about this and decide whether they want to deal with you on this basis if this is your terms of guarantee.,the same verbal guarantee you gave me. Thanks. At least now i am clear about your terms.

If one gives a guarantee, then one would be responsible for ANY fault of the watch after the sale except crystal breaking or clear signs of trauma to the watch.

[chiu_peow]

I agree that it is hard to pinpoint when the watch got magnetized.

The only fact is that the watch is not keeping good time. Sometimes fast. Sometimes slow.

Correct me if I am wrong. A watch can be placed on such a device to determine if there is time deviation. This process should take about 5 minutes max.

As mentioned in my previous post, a buyer needs to take all the necessary steps before completing any transaction.

Even if the seller says 1 month guarantee, there is no way to say if the watch was not keeping good time prior to transaction. Only seller knows.

If a buyer does not take all the steps to safeguard the purchase, then it is not fair to claim against the seller even if it is true that the watch is not keeping good time in this case.

If you are the seller and the buyer claims that the watch is not keeping good time after a day or two , when prior to transaction there is no such issue, will you as a seller split the cost of repair?

If the seller wants to split or bear the cost, then it is purely on the seller's goodwill to buyer.

Why buyers want to buy from private seller? Because it is cheaper? Buying from private seller means a buyer has to take the necessary risk once the transaction has completed. If the seller is a commercial dealer, there is a receipt, there is a shop, buyer can go to the shop to get matter ratified.

Why not just cancel the deal? It's very hard to pinpoint magnetism when it's invisible. Who got it magnetised? who knows? when was it magnetised? again who knows?

There's no way Jamy would have known the watch is magnetised when he first bought it, unless it was examined and tested by a Omega technician (at least for a few hours)before the deal. WHo does that kind of arrangement when buying? no one.


Split the repair cost. Nobody wins and everybody wins.

There's no other way.

[polarinda]

If you give a warranty even as a private seller, then it is just poor form if you don't even agree to split the cost of a timing regulation ,doesnt matter who magnetised the watch. Simple as that. If you think that is an ok practice, then do it. Some people give warranty for fun, that we know.

[xiaoli]

Just bring your watch to demagnetize.
You can goto JW to get it done, no need to go RSC.
Cost is not high, they just need to place your watch on a hollow soft iron and run current through the iron and slowly reducing it to zero.
They don‘t even need to open your casing or change any parts.

[chiu_peow]

So what you are saying is that if a private seller gives 1 month warranty, then anything happens during the period, the seller has to bear? So if I am interested to purchase your U series SD, will you offer me 1 month warranty as to show that you are a sincere and honest seller? And if the watch is not keeping to good time, you will offer to fix it @ your cost?

I believe that if the watch if check carefully prior to completion of transaction, everything is ok, then if anything happens to the watch, the warranty should be in effect. Otherwise no.

If you give a warranty even as a private seller, then it is just poor form if you don't even agree to split the cost of a timing regulation ,doesnt matter who magnetised the watch. Simple as that. If you think that is an ok practice, then do it. Some people give warranty for fun, that we know.