I found this advertisement this guy is just rude...

[Fred_Tan]

Panerai is a tool watch - meant to be knocked up

Why is polished case an undesirable thing? Sorry if I ask stoopid question. I da newbie.. Thanks.

Holes, dings, bents, dents, deep scratches, hairline scratches, twirls are all OK as long as e case & caseback are still water resistant.

Don't polish anything unless u got a super-super deep deep dents due to motorbike or bicycle or skydiving or rock climbing or skateboard accident (u must be crazy to wear PAM for these activities)
Many Panerai models are meant as toolwatch. Only a handful are dressy.
It's OK to let the defects be as they are if u can live with it if it's a toolwatch.

I'm sure there are watch lovers who stare at the watch all e time with 8x loupe & couldn't even eat, sleep or drink if there's a 0.1mm hairline gash.

I have also met watch luver with a bent lugs thanks to a door pane and he couldn't even give a hoot.

If u polished ur case, bezel, crown, bridge, lever, caseback & buckle, no doubt u will be able to remove all the surface defects.

But if u do so on brushed steel (eg bridge, lever, case, back, buckle), the brush stroke used by service centre are rougher & deeper than factory.
& this is a telling sign of an polished / reworked brushed steel.

For polished surface (case, lugs, bezel) it's harder to tell as there's nothing on e surface to refer to.

BUT if u or some1 else have another watch with same case, bezel, caseback & buckle that u ar 100% sure & trust to be really unpolished, u can place both the unpolished & the "suspected" watch side-by-side and u'll be to see right away the over-rounded corner at the edge of e case, case-back.
U can oso see e over-sharpen corners at the bottom of e lugs & buckle.
The crown lever edge could be rounded during e polishing if e polisher is not experienced.
The crown bridge can oso end up over-sharpen.

I have never owned any polished watch, so I cannot take any pics to show all this.
I have only seen other watches worn by my buyers when we meet up & sometimes we manage to compare when I happen to wear watch with e same parts.
Or course I dun go around taking pics & comment on my buyer's watch.
I just like to compare & ask him where he/she got his watch & if he/she knows if e watch has been polished.

Anyway, if any member can provide a Rad 47mm or 1950 47mm watch which is polished, I will be glad to offer my below average photography skill to take some photos & post em here & all forums.

Ur identity will be safe, no worries.

[Fred_Tan]

Nevermind lar

To be fair to Fred, i think 201 bro have to prove that you are in Jakarta and not available to attend this meeting too. It seems suspicious that your first post was to start this topic and the rest of your posts are all against Fred. Yet when asked to meet up, you say you're not available.

Disclaimer: I have never met any of you all before nor am I affiliated to any one here. Just saying a word out of fairness.

I will going Jakarta soon in Oct to visit a fren for his wedding.
It's my 1st time in Jakarta.
Maybe 201 can show me around.

[Fred_Tan]

Hehey, dun forget me

Just saw the post. I'm ok there, Citihall or Raffles Place. PM or SMS me :-)

Call or sms me 81799089.

[Fred_Tan]

Yes yes

Tml Fred is coming to the meet up????Sorry ar i m kinda of lost here...

But where & what time?
Can someone drop me a line at 8179.9089?

[Fred_Tan]

No one is saying u are

I also want to meet you (can't be bothered with FT but maybe CL cos still don't understand why he paid 30K for 217) as well as get free T-shirt but 12 June (Sat) no good cos weekend is my family and daughter outing day.

Maybe I meet you another time and see if I can pop over to Keith and gadgetguy meeting on Tuesday lunch time.

I have met many people so not a phantom or mole as insinuated by some people. And my occupation is not related to watch

Are you?
I'm free trow.
Let me know where u wanna meet

[Fred_Tan]

I never predict that

well, since you mentioned predictions, so in your world, predictions are considered facts if they are from Fred the prophet?

You go round shooting people's assumptions and opinions whenever they do not agree with how you feel about things and then have the cheek to say that your predictions are considred facts and not baseless nor groundless?

this is something new to me. and well done man btw., did you also predict that instead of earning money, you would end up buying a rollie with a fake braclet? gosh, I really cant imagine.

I never shoot anyones' assumptions and opinions...

[Fred_Tan]

I wonder how many ppl got bad service in Richemont...

Well I will keep my spreadsheet in my tree (never had e intention to share; it's trade secret, u know).
I will con't to bark at ppl who lies bout being treated badly in Richemont Service Ctr (my wife was treated badly when she sent in her 49 for servicing, my mate when he sent in his destro... these are not lies),
misinform other members bout things that aren't true (well, of the top of my head, i cannot recall anyone else on this forum with a proven fact of trying to sell a fake rolex bracelet and also selling a 'rojak' complete rolex on the basis that potential buyers should know that that it was a rojak assembled piece),
cheat with stories that no one can verify (i think alot of members still waiting for you to substantiate like what triton has requested),
spread baseless accusations and insult other members like me (i really donno whether to laugh or weep when i read this) while still have the cheek to ask for apologies...
I never say I'm an expert (ehm, according to your previous posts, you are the one with the sacred Excel manual recording all 'valid' pam transactions right?)

this' probably my last post on this thread unless something new comes up...

Ender

Maybe it's only u & a few ur mates...

If Richemont Ctr service is bad, there should be thousands of ppl saying so now, right?
If I'm not mistaken, we have thousands of viewer in this thread, right?

They should be getting pretty worked up now when I say I have never had a bad service b4.

I guess it's only ur wife & few of ur mates here?

[Fred_Tan]

The result is good

in today internet world, information is shared (even if you dun like it).
things i do not know does not mean others also do not know.

so no matter how hard he try. the result is still the same.

Hey, this is not e 1st time threads have been setup to lynch me.
So far, the results are good.
I'm still selling & much faster than anyone else.
Why?

[Fred_Tan]

You said you are based in Japan now right.....then come here for a while right..

then this post means you staying here for 3 months?

"Get this rare BNIB Inversed FIDDY before I withdraw it due to my overseas trip for 3mths"

Then why leaving on 15 June?

Wow...really blur or I just wait for another story.

When I say 3mths in the above post, did I ever say when I will leave in e same post?
And I have not withdrawn it yet, have it?
Also, the watch is sold yesterday.

I merely state in my bumps up that members should get it before I withdraw it for a 3 mths overseas trip.
In nowhere in the above post did I mention when it will be withdrawn.

So, do not put word in my mouth by suggesting I'm trying to BS members here.

You are obviously just trying to make baseless & accusations that are not true & spewing lies & flaming member here against me.

[Fred_Tan]

Common, that guy is not here to learn, share, sell or buy any watch

ya man, def will meet up with you one day...I pm you again soon ....no XMM also nm lah haha....




No no, me not turn off by PAM cos PAM is not about Fred me still targeting a 312 in the near future hee hee....

but you very sharp hee....know its selectve memory keke....was wondering if i was obvious enuff anot

now showing masked magicion on channel 5 le.....i wanna see him 'predict' something too

He's here to flame ppl on someone else behalf

[patricia]

i have applied leave and approved.

can put time and place or not. thank you.

I also nearby.Call me if got anything confirmed.

[5218-201/A]

I will going Jakarta soon in Oct to visit a fren for his wedding.
It's my 1st time in Jakarta.
Maybe 201 can show me around.

Happy too Freddy. I have lived AND worked in Indonesia for 20 years (this year) and have not had to move and sell watches in Taiwan or Japan because people in Indonesia refuse to deal with me. I also buy and sell watches in Singapore but I am only a small time collector not like you.

[exxondus]

I never shoot anyones' assumptions and opinions...

er...hokey... speechless

then wat do you call your reply as quoted by Toffeethings to my assumption/opinion about the price of 312? probably advice in your context..:P

just wondering. when your boss comes to you for advice. Do you shoot him and say he is ignorant?

If you have kids and they come to you on something they tht they discovered in school. do you put them down by saying they know nothing and are making baseless and groundless statements?

If someone makes an opinion on this wanton mee is good. Do you screw him and say he only know this stall's wanton mee and should not be talking cos he knows nothing?

oh, perhaps that in your definition is not put down, not shoot. is a friendly advice . oh well, each to his own

[Fred_Tan]

misinform other members bout things that aren't true (well, of the top of my head, i cannot recall anyone else on this forum with a proven fact of trying to sell a fake rolex bracelet and also selling a 'rojak' complete rolex on the basis that potential buyers should know that that it was a rojak assembled piece)
Ender

Well Like I said before, I pull the sale off without any1 here in SG-ROC telling me to.
I informed the moderators immediately & one of them even voluntered to help me.
So I didn't sell or deliver any fake bracelets watch.
Careful with your words here.
U r accusing me of knowingly & intentionally selling a watch with a fake bracelet that even the moderators & most esteemed member in VRF cannot accertain...I have emails from them that I can send to u if u r interested.

I have took side-by-side pictures of the bracelet thanks to a SG-ROC member here who was kind enough to PM me & even come out to see me with his bracelet when he found out from my responce to my own sale thread that my bracelet is fake.

Thank to his help I was determine that the bracelet is in fact a fake when even esteemed member & moderators in VRF can't by taking some photos.

The fact remain that I pull the sale post without being told to do so in all forums...Other flipper/ seller / traders will just post a withdrawal without any indication that the bracelet is fake.

Also, no one including the moderator in VRF or any esteemed members there even told me to remove my post.
The post was removed at my request.
No moderators & esteemed member in VRF even questioned my bracelet.
In fact they can't even tell & was bewildered when I request for e post to be pulled.
I have emails from em & I can forward to anyone here who's interested.

So u tell me who's not being honest & truthful here?
U or me?
U r not being truthful for twisting the situation & making is appear that I intentionally cheated.

And I did state clearly that my 'rojak' watch is an assembled piece in my post.
So do not twist my words here.

You are obviously spewing lies & out to lynch me

[Fred_Tan]

Proof what

Is proven(in this thread itself), need we say more ?
U again ignore my question.

Should I be sad or happy ?
Guess I am no big buyer.

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