I found this advertisement this guy is just rude...

[triton]

If that is the case, i believe richemont will have records. for

rolex which i have brought in to authenticate and there are parts that are not original which i ask them to state in the service report.

if you cant substantiate these sellers for one reason or another. it can be seen that it is a baseless accusations.

These 4 case are genuine sellers who tried to sell me / or trade w me between 2008-10 when I started to take in worn watches for personal use & sometimes flipping when I wanna get another watch.

They are all Panerais.

I dun wan to name who were involved and what model they were.
Suffice to say that these 4 watches have fake parts inside.
2 case of Stem, 1 case of mainspring e most bizarre of all e regulator!

[triton]

does your now mean that as of the time of posting, you are in Japan?

Give u hint, I stayed in Taiwan from 2006 to 2007.
USA in 2008-9.
Japan from 09 till now

[exxondus]

Pls let me know

sigh...its apparent that you have no idea how harsh your words are, as well as how false and groundless some of your assumptions are. And you will never know cos its apparent you aren't one who self reflects before shooting others who disagree with you.

let's just forget it as I have no energy o argue furhter with people that refuse to listen.

For anyone who is interested, can see my reply here on Fred's comments.

http://www.sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=30758&page=4

Look at post #35 and his reply to my questions on post #37.

btw, before you refute that what you said are all facts and nothing but the facts, Let me tell you, one simple thing. I realy don mind nor dislike people wearing the same watch as me. Neither do my dad who is still very well alive thank you. 2 generations there in case you aren't aware. There you have it, what you said below no longer holds and is merely you barking up the wrong tree? Ney, just forget it......

I can assure you, all the grey traders here are not making one single cent from Rolex since 2006. We r just taking these Rolex to fulfill our qouta with the ADs to maintain relationships for other brands purchase.

In fact, starting from 2007, you can clearly see that our Rolex pricing is low as we r only keen to minimize losses asap by disposing fast.

You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts."
Our generation only want something that no1 else is wearing.Gone are the days when my dad goes to a wedding banquet to find 7 of his fren wearing the same 1680 in e same reception.
Gone r the days when my granddad & 3 of my granduncles wouldn't mind visiting my great-grand parents wearing the same 5513.
Some went to their graves in Melaka wearing the same 5513.

These ppl are all dead, dying or outta $ due to over-ageing....they dun even have $ to pay Rolex Service Ctr SGD1,200 to full service their pitted case for goodness sake & I had to pay em.

[5218-201/A]

does your now mean that as of the time of posting, you are in Japan?

Definitely not, Fred Tan was posting from a Starhub IP in Singapore yesterday and I could tell you the IP number but it seems that Cedric Lim has had the entire thread in question, deleted from the Panerisiti Collector's Forum. Hmmm, wonder why?

As well yesterday Mr. Cedric Lim posted the thread in question from JV Fitness in the Orchard Road area.

As KK has said in this thread, the 4D hit yesterday with both of these posts from Singapore in the same thread.

[exxondus]

Definitely not, Fred Tan was posting from a Starhub IP in Singapore yesterday and I could tell you the IP number but it seems that Cedric Lim has had the entire thread in question, deleted from the Panerisiti Collector's Forum. Hmmm, wonder why?

As well yesterday Mr. Cedric Lim posted the thread in question from JV Fitness in the Orchard Road area.

As KK has said in this thread, the 4D hit yesterday with both of these posts from Singapore in the same thread.

wow!! how u managed to find out such stuff?

[crazybay]

I've been reading this thread since it started n i've since follow it like a HK drama. One thing i find it funny is that when one tell lies, pls always rem the lies tat u have said so tat when u say something later it won't conflict with ur lies tat u have said earlier. A moment ago, someone is asking ppl who wants him to treat them wantan n say tat he will reach there in 45 mins time but moment later he say tat he is in Japan. I haven heard of any airline tat can fly from Japan to SG in 45 mins times including airport n custom clearance. BTW does tis airline do exist?

[MaxH]

These 4 case are genuine sellers who tried to sell me / or trade w me between 2008-10 when I started to take in worn watches for personal use & sometimes flipping when I wanna get another watch.

They are all Panerais.

I dun wan to name who were involved and what model they were.
Suffice to say that these 4 watches have fake parts inside.
2 case of Stem, 1 case of mainspring e most bizarre of all e regulator!

And when I meet them at Service Ctr, the verification by the sellers in which I was present at the counter turn up fake parts that we all know can only come from uncertified repair centres worldwide.

Before I left and walk outta of e collapsed deal, I asked em where they got e watch....
3 source was named to me.
2 still in business & one no longer.

One watch was bought a year earlier.
The other 2 watch was about 9mths and another was just 3mths.

I advice em to go back to e traders asap to seek compensation & they did exactly that & got full compensation.

if e owner had never tried to sell, I think they would have never guessed they had a fake part inside....

I think most manual winding watch tend to have broken main-spring to stem due to heavy-handed gross negligent winding...

I think some of these traders take in this watch from sellers who sold as soon as they found out from Richemont that they had to pay for full servicing to have em just e stem/mainspring replaced.

I guess these 3 traders didn't replace the part with OEM as Panerai parts are not easily avail outside Richemont and they had to cut cost & increase margin by replacing it with fakes.

Hi, may I ask how one knows a stem and/or mainspring is of not genuine quality?

[5218-201/A]

wow!! how u managed to find out such stuff?

Quite simple, go to the Panerisiti Network 54 website, on every post they post the IP for each post. IP's can be traced very easy. Look at the posts at Panerisiti, on the right hand side at the top of each thread start and there is the IP address.

Fred Tan started a thread there yesterday selling a watch, here is the data, visible to ALL and as well posted in the post. Fred Tan (Login Fred_Tan)
from IP address 218.186.10.239

Thread in question, where the IP address is shown: http://www.network54.com/Forum/61171...%28Fred+Tan%29

IP trace: 218.186.10.239 IP:
218.186.10.239
218.186.10.239 server location:
Singapore in Singapore
218.186.10.239 ISP:
StarHub Cable Vision Ltd

http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/218.186.10.239

[5218-201/A]

I've been reading this thread since it started n i've since follow it like a HK drama. One thing i find it funny is that when one tell lies, pls always rem the lies tat u have said so tat when u say something later it won't conflict with ur lies tat u have said earlier. A moment ago, someone is asking ppl who wants him to treat them wantan n say tat he will reach there in 45 mins time but moment later he say tat he is in Japan. I haven heard of any airline tat can fly from Japan to SG in 45 mins times including airport n custom clearance. BTW does tis airline do exist?

Very true, I estimate Fred Tan/Cedric Lim to be getting up in years as he is forgetting what he tells in other threads and tells exact opposite things in new posts.

But then again, there maybe an airline that may fly from Singapore to Japan in 45 minutes......

[Fred_Tan]

Nope, I'm back to settle some stuff

does your now mean that as of the time of posting, you are in Japan?

I'm here till 15th Jun

[Fred_Tan]

True

If that is the case, i believe richemont will have records. for

rolex which i have brought in to authenticate and there are parts that are not original which i ask them to state in the service report.

if you cant substantiate these sellers for one reason or another. it can be seen that it is a baseless accusations.

You can always drop by and chat up e ladies there.
I'm sure they will tell ya

[Fred_Tan]

Hmm, why har?

Definitely not, Fred Tan was posting from a Starhub IP in Singapore yesterday and I could tell you the IP number but it seems that Cedric Lim has had the entire thread in question, deleted from the Panerisiti Collector's Forum. Hmmm, wonder why?

As well yesterday Mr. Cedric Lim posted the thread in question from JV Fitness in the Orchard Road area.

As KK has said in this thread, the 4D hit yesterday with both of these posts from Singapore in the same thread.

Something else is going on?
What do u think?

[Fred_Tan]

It's not crazy

I've been reading this thread since it started n i've since follow it like a HK drama. One thing i find it funny is that when one tell lies, pls always rem the lies tat u have said so tat when u say something later it won't conflict with ur lies tat u have said earlier. A moment ago, someone is asking ppl who wants him to treat them wantan n say tat he will reach there in 45 mins time but moment later he say tat he is in Japan. I haven heard of any airline tat can fly from Japan to SG in 45 mins times including airport n custom clearance. BTW does tis airline do exist?

I'm back for holidays in Spore to renew my expired passport and also to make some watch purchase & deliver a few watches last 2 weeks.....


I said I'm based & stayed in Japan.
But I didn't say I'm in Japan right now....

I also mentioned yesterday that Cedric Lim is going to look at my 217 today at noon.
That he did & my watch is now sold over a won ton noodle at Novena Sq at noon today...

There you go, twisting my words.
This & that.....wow

LOL

[Fred_Tan]

So??

sigh...its apparent that you have no idea how harsh your words are, as well as how false and groundless some of your assumptions are. And you will never know cos its apparent you aren't one who self reflects before shooting others who disagree with you.

let's just forget it as I have no energy o argue furhter with people that refuse to listen.

For anyone who is interested, can see my reply here on Fred's comments.

http://www.sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=30758&page=4

Look at post #35 and his reply to my questions on post #37.

btw, before you refute that what you said are all facts and nothing but the facts, Let me tell you, one simple thing. I realy don mind nor dislike people wearing the same watch as me. Neither do my dad who is still very well alive thank you. 2 generations there in case you aren't aware. There you have it, what you said below no longer holds and is merely you barking up the wrong tree? Ney, just forget it......

Did I attack anyone here?
Call someone by names?
Accuse anyone with baseless claims here?

[toffeesthings]

I didn't call anyone by names or did I put ppl down or accuse ppl with baseless accusations or going the way of dodo.

This a forum where myself has been called names related with food & etc...

Fred,
Since you appear to have this issue understanding common terms as you may not have lived in Singapore for a while, let me put this discourse across to you with more clarity.

When you call people ignorant, it is tantamount to name-calling. In fact, let's call a spade a spade, to be called ignorant, is, to most people, an insult. And it puts them down.

But that won't affect you even IF, HYPOTHETICALLY, people call you stupid, right?
Because to you, it is not name calling or putting you down.
To you, 'name-calling' or 'labelling' occurs when people associate your name with local dishes.

So let's get this SAPPHIRE CRYSTAL clear now since you are not a Master of the Obvious.

You did not call anyone names or put people down per se.

You insulted, albeit mildly. But it is still an insult.

I suggest you apologize to Bro Exondus for calling him ignorant and perhaps plenty of this animosity will go the way of the dodo.

After all, you now "respect everyone here & all watch afficianados", right?

Your choice mate.