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  • Sexposed: Marlboro and his stats on cost of HDB flats..

    In yesterday's Straits Times article about HDB flats being affordable, there was this chart:


    It shows household income rising in tandem with HDB prices.


    Credit goes to Hazel Poa[Link] for unveiling the trick here. Move the base year around and you get some other interesting graphs, here's one of the graphs generated by Hazel Poa:



    Yes, not so "in tandem" if the base year was 2001. In fact only when you choose 1999 to be the base year instead of any other year in the last 10 years, you can show this "in tandem" movement.


    Article obtained from http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/20...e-numbers.html.
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  • #2
    aiyah, I never took his words seriously de la. All the stats he says,etc.

    Can you imagine how he could actually appear shocked when demand was so much higher than supply of HDB flats at a particular district? it happens for most of the mature estates wat. he first time looking at stats ah?
    I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch.........

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    • #3
      I liked one of the comments

      If you use the HDB methodology, you can prove all sorts of things. For example, you can prove that $100,000 Rolex watches are affordable. This is because you can:

      1) Limit your sampling frame to people who had bought Rolex watches in the past 12 months

      2) Calculate the average income of this group of people (e.g. $200,000 per month)

      3) Conclude that $100,000 Rolex watches are “affordable” because they cost less than 5% of annual income of those who bought them !!!
      Sadly, if I used a sample size of 1 (myself) and calculated it my annual salary excluding bonus, the Omega watch I just purchased is NOT deemed affordable (>5%).

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      • #4
        Originally posted by exxondus View Post
        aiyah, I never took his words seriously de la. All the stats he says,etc.

        Can you imagine how he could actually appear shocked when demand was so much higher than supply of HDB flats at a particular district? it happens for most of the mature estates wat. he first time looking at stats ah?
        acting is also part of his job scope~
        Pew! Pew! Pew!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Speziel View Post
          acting is also part of his job scope~
          Acting?? In that case, gotta change name to PWP- PPl Wayang Party??

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          • #6
            this is the best thread ever...i can't stop laughing since the moment i read the title...

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            • #7
              Fund managers always use this trick to manipulate charts to improve the marketing capability of the funds... beware..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Speziel View Post
                acting is also part of his job scope~
                speziel, your a'bra'tar very the distracting leh
                I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch.........

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by batamboy View Post
                  Acting?? In that case, gotta change name to PWP- PPl Wayang Party??
                  Don't spoil and not to be mix up with Temasek Review's older name : Wayang Party. hahaha!!!! LMAO

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Speziel View Post
                    acting is also part of his job scope~
                    Bro..... ur avatar is very the....... erm......

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by louisoh View Post
                      Bro..... ur avatar is very the....... erm......

                      Bro Spiezel, if it's your finger in the avatar, then you're a really lucky guy : )
                      Sweet 16:
                      PP Aquanaut
                      VC Overseas
                      AP ROO Black Themes
                      A.Lange & Sohne 1815
                      Breguet Type XXI
                      Blancpain 50 Fathoms
                      JLC Navy Seals
                      GO Senator 60s
                      GP Laureato
                      Zenith Pilot Extra Special
                      Rolex DSSD
                      IWC Big Pilot
                      Pam 112
                      Omega Ploprof
                      Breitling Super Avenger
                      Glycine F104

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                      • #12
                        You wonder what the same chart looks like if we go back another 10 years to plot for a 20 year period:



                        1. From 1990 to 2009, RPI rose to 442 (442% of the base year) but household income rose only to 211 (211% of the base year) i.e. income rose at roughly half the rate property rose over a 20 year period. The RPI was only 34.1 in 1990, today it is 154 i.e. a HDB flat today is 4.5 times the price 20 years ago but household income is only 2.1 times.

                        2. You will notice the big jump from 1990 to 1995 when the RPI rose from 34.1 to 101.9. That jump occurred just after CPF was liberalised for housing in 1991. During that period household income only went up by 36% but HDB price almost tripled. CPF basically went from funding retirement to funding home purchases.

                        By Minister Mah's own methodology, there is no question that HDB flats were much more affordable in 1990 relative to household income than they are today. Singaporeans' inability to retire with enough funds is linked to the high cost of housing which far outstripped household income growth over the past 2 decade. The chart also tells us why life is so much tougher in Singapore today. It is not unrealistic expectations that cause this unhappiness....it is very real financial burden that caused this unhappiness.
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                        A bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at the office.


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                        • #13
                          I have a feeling that CPF liberalisationis becaus most individuals just do not have the actual liquidity to purchase a house even starting from 1990s.

                          However, thats anyone's guess for the actual reason for liberalising.
                          I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch, I dont need another watch.........

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                          • #14
                            I dont get it guys..

                            Is this an own goal ?
                            I own a Rolex !

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paneraii View Post
                              I dont get it guys..

                              Is this an own goal ?


                              Self Pwned...

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                              A bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at the office.


                              Just me and my NT...

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