Help! I've been cheated!!

[keltzar]

Like this?
http://watches-line.blogspot.com/200...atic_2823.html

BTW, I suggest you temper your expectations when making a police report. I'm not optimistic it would really be of much help.

They've never solved any of the 3 police cases I have filed in my life. Heck, they didn't even update me the status of the investigation.

[shroomfarmer]

Police are idiots

No offence to the SPF, but they are lazy morons. seriously, they are only keen in high profile cases like murders, rapes, molest and especially drunk driving cases. do you really think they give half a **** about you and how you failed to check a second hand watch properly before buying it. Forget it. You are wasting your time.

You do not have hard evidence and they would much rather pursue something more concrete that gets more media coverage. Even things like domestic violence will get more attention than your case.

[Taipan]

Cheating?

In case of alleged cheating where a company is involved, the victim can take it up with CASE (Consumers Association of Singapore). If its pte individual to another, you can go to the law. Like one bro here who got a bad experience over a Daytona having fake engine from a another forummer. He made a police report of cheating and the assigned investigator would check up the details with both parties before giving his advice about the next legal options after taking into account the legitimacy of the complaint. Cheating is a non-seizable offence i.e. after a police report the victim next can obtain a court order for a civil case if victim wants justice.

Therefore the crux of the issue lies in the distinction made between seizable and non-seizable (can arrest or not) offences under the law. If a crime is considered under the Criminal Procedure Code to be 'seizable', then police can arrest the suspect immediately without needing a warrant and pursue for prosecution. But if it's not seizable, then it is up to the victim to seek his own redress. He can complain to a magistrate who can then instruct the police to investigate, take up a private prosecution (magistrate complaint), or file a civil suit (sue) for damages. The list of seizable and non-seizable offences has been in place since Singapore's laws were set after our independence and this list has generally remained unchanged. This list basically reflects which crimes the State deems as the more serious ones which require immediate police attention, eg. murder, rape, kidnapping, robbery and theft. For the not so serious ones such as perjury, mischief and cheating, the police have no power to arrest (or even investigate) unless a magistrate orders it (through lodging a magistrate complaint or filing a civil suit). Hope that helps.

[Watcha]

...the very early U-BOAT Models come with a Japanese Miyota movement, so it does not necassarily mean it is a Jap movement it is a fake. Just sharing what I know.

few years back my friend bought one at 500euros. tried one myself side by side with a swiss movement one. quality difference is substantial. not only the look of the movement. case quality differs too.

its genuine but can appear fake compared to the later series.

[edsonchan]

My problem is no more evidence liao. Service my hp and all data is lost. I forgot my ebay acc password cos im hardly in there n i dont remember bidding on the watch in ebay. He left his hp in there. He did pick up my call but just refuse to meet. Say wasting his time since it has been quite a while. Wonder if the telco able to track tele conversationsEven thou he is still selling fake watch! So guess have to let the police handle...

Telco cannot track tele conversation if you want to know.

Since there are some traces that U Boat used Japanese Quartz movement in the initial stage, you should verify this piece of information. Send the case number to U Boat HQ via email to ensure the authenticity. This is very important.

It is important to note that you have verified with your watch dealer, whom may not be familiar with U Boat's history, has pointed out that it is a Japanese movement. A counterfeit U boat do not need to use Japanese movement. They can use any movement, be it Chinese or any others.

I understand that even if this is a genuine quartz U Boat, you may have overpaid this piece. Unfortunately, the deal is agreed upon and there is nothing you can do about this point already.

I think it is now your responsibility to check with U Boat or Bezel Singapore and authenticate this watch. I also think that you should clarify this as well.
The seller's name, HP number has been published. If he did sell the real thing... Then something must be done about it.

Whatever the case is, be cool about it. That is the most important.

[princess_glyn]

Like this?
http://watches-line.blogspot.com/200...atic_2823.html

BTW, I suggest you temper your expectations when making a police report. I'm not optimistic it would really be of much help.

They've never solved any of the 3 police cases I have filed in my life. Heck, they didn't even update me the status of the investigation.

I understand as well cos I ever file a police report on 1 of the reputable shop in Orchard selling a fake Gucci bag. Gucci did 'verify' thru verbal comminication but seller still dosent give a damn ****. Police report was file & the bag was being confiscated & will be sent to Gucci Singpaore for further investigation. I reported to CASE as well & they did a phone interview on both parties & it was even aired on 1 of the radio channel.
After 3 years the police return me the bag & mention case close!! Yup that's all! Without providing any information on the bag if it's auth or not. Hiaz...

[princess_glyn]

few years back my friend bought one at 500euros. tried one myself side by side with a swiss movement one. quality difference is substantial. not only the look of the movement. case quality differs too.

its genuine but can appear fake compared to the later series.

As for mine, according to the dealer, appears 'genuine'. but them he open the case, the movement appears to be low/bad quality. He mention that Swiss watch must go along with Swiss battery & not Japan movement. I did show him the websites provided by some of the helpful bros in this forum but he's not convince as they are not 'u boat watch specialist'. He did show me the movement, but of course I would't know how to tell.

[princess_glyn]

but you can bring your bag in and say you wanna send for cleaning and if it is a fake, they'll tell you politely that it is not a product of the company.

princess_glyn, I drive a white Crossroad too but I am not a U-Boat fan...hopefully you'll have an answer soon about your watch...

wah u so heng lor not a u-boat fan. if not sure you kena 'arrow' for nothing! hahaha
anyway nice car dude

[princess_glyn]

Telco cannot track tele conversation if you want to know.

Since there are some traces that U Boat used Japanese Quartz movement in the initial stage, you should verify this piece of information. Send the case number to U Boat HQ via email to ensure the authenticity. This is very important.

It is important to note that you have verified with your watch dealer, whom may not be familiar with U Boat's history, has pointed out that it is a Japanese movement. A counterfeit U boat do not need to use Japanese movement. They can use any movement, be it Chinese or any others.

I understand that even if this is a genuine quartz U Boat, you may have overpaid this piece. Unfortunately, the deal is agreed upon and there is nothing you can do about this point already.

I think it is now your responsibility to check with U Boat or Bezel Singapore and authenticate this watch. I also think that you should clarify this as well.
The seller's name, HP number has been published. If he did sell the real thing... Then something must be done about it.

Whatever the case is, be cool about it. That is the most important.

Thanks again for your concern. I've already gotten back the watch & will definitely head down to Bezel Wheelock either today or tomorrow. been busy lately.
I will definitely clear the seller's name if the watch is gunuine. (blanja him to ktv perhaps...)

[princess_glyn]

hi sis..any updates?

did ya visit bezel to authenticate the watch?

hope it's real ba

not yet but the watch is with me liao... i also hope its auth so that I don't have to go thru the hassel of lodging a police report...

[simonn]

in the first instance, buyer should bear certain responsiblility to establish the the product that you are going purchase. Mindbearing the fact the seller did not at any point in time forced you into the deal. Sametime, during the point of transaction, you are also given the benefit to inspect the product. If you are willing to go-thru the transaction, it means to show that you are pleased and satisfied . Moreover, it is only after some time that you made the gruesome discovery based on speculation which will be at your disadvantage ...remember that there is always a time-bar to present your case.

[banerai77]

not yet but the watch is with me liao... i also hope its auth so that I don't have to go thru the hassel of lodging a police report...

Sorry to hear abt ur mishap...hope u get it verify sn enuf.Do try to take sm pic of the so called "japanese movement" during verification if possible and maybe some of us here can help tell if it's the miyota.

Or maybe u can try posting in the uboat forum http://www.u-boatforum.com/
They might nod better.

cheers!

[watchlover1986]

any updates??

[PJBerri]

I bought a U boat late last here at singapore ebay. Based on his ratings of less than 50 it seems to be pretty trust worthy to purchase things from him.
He sold me a quartz chrono beige colour U boat. He mention that this was 1 of the 1st few models that produced quartz movement back then. No box or paper. He also did purhase on ebay. As usual U Boat doesnt do verification. But the watch technician did mention that she didnt come across model at all. But this guy keep assuring me that its 100% auth n I finally bought it from him at $1700. For assurance He even gave me his name card where he's helping out at his father's law firm.
After keeping it for ard 6-8months I traded off at 1 of the reputable 2nd hand watch dealer in orchard rd n was shock to hear that it's fake! Japan movement & not swiss. I called the guy, Miki Khoo, & as usual denied & insisted its 100% genuine. I told him to go down to the 2nd hand dealer shop to see for himself but was kena threathened instead. He also say he will file a police report to say that I might change the movement myself, which is totally ridiculas!
Bros I really need your expert advise what I can do about it. Should I EXPOSE his working place here in *** so that those who knows him can help me out on this? Hopefully he has a clearer conscious?
Luckily his mobile is still the same.
FYI his mobile is 9xxx 2222. Miki Khoo, Chinese, tall, well built & speaks well. Driving a Crossroad. (last year) Oh he's staying in Kembangan. Hope this help.
Appreciate ur help.

Hey dude

Sorry to hear your frustrations.

BUT chill, your watch sounds authentic enough from your descriptions. Early BOATs housed Miyota quartz and had mineral glass. They came with smaller aluminium boxes. David Beckham wore the model like yours. Chill man.

cheers

[turbocharged]

If the watch turns out to be genuine, you seriously think clearing the seller's name here and treating him to a KTV session is sufficient payment for your malicious accusation of him committing a crime? Without any proof to back yourself up, you hung him out to dry by putting out his details and telling others you have been cheated. So if you are proven wrong, you will be putting out your own details and also engage a lawyer to sue yourself for defamation?

Besides, in the event that the movement is fake, who here can be sure it wasn't changed out after the seller passed you the watch? You mean sellers here who sell a Rolex today are to remain liable for the watch 1yr later? The buyer can change out the genuine movement for a fake movement and then accuse the seller of cheating him/her?

People really should think hard before they act and know that they have to be responsible for their words and not speak with impunity. An apology does not necessarily get one off the hook for their poor judgement in the real world.