Should I be flattered or.........

[TanWL]

I'm not trying to be sarcastic (I apologise) but just trying to provoke some tot. Will feeling sorry solve the problem? What does economics said about this? Is this consider free market after all. (with ref to Funny-Watch trader-here thread)

So what practical steps can you or the community do?

"Is there anything in the forum that can save guard or educate members to such happening? I find it quite sad that members can't fully enjoy what the forum can provide. I agreed that each members also have some responsibility to play but can we have a concerted effort to flag out these type of buyer and seller. Is there any guidelines to these? Can we create a thread to post their nicks and phone no.?"

"OK, agreed "guide line" can be a fuss . How about a resource thread that members can update and refer to past experiences of members, Good and Bad? Because once awhile you will see such thread in the kopi-talk (eg. this shop no good, this ad no good, this sales person no good,...). Info is every where and hard to refer. My tot is that forum is a good resource to share info and whether it can expand on that and benefit all new and old."

"That's what i tot. But in truth it is not. You still read a lot of such stories in the news. Young or old, rich or poor, educated or not. They still fall prey to succumb bag with no conscience. So i don't thing can discount it not happening."

"I just want to throw out a tot for us to consider whether we can pull our resources together to make this place better without certain painful experience thats all."

Talking about being "thick-skinned", this is an example of thick-skinned... (with reference to the watch flipping thread..)

I feel sorry for bro ten10, for having to put up with this kind of ordeal....

[Tricolore]

I'm not trying to be sarcastic (I apologise) but just trying to provoke some tot. Will feeling sorry solve the problem? What does economics said about this? Is this consider free market after all. (with ref to Funny-Watch trader-here thread)

So what practical steps can you or the community do?

"Is there anything in the forum that can save guard or educate members to such happening? I find it quite sad that members can't fully enjoy what the forum can provide. I agreed that each members also have some responsibility to play but can we have a concerted effort to flag out these type of buyer and seller. Is there any guidelines to these? Can we create a thread to post their nicks and phone no.?"

"OK, agreed "guide line" can be a fuss . How about a resource thread that members can update and refer to past experiences of members, Good and Bad? Because once awhile you will see such thread in the kopi-talk (eg. this shop no good, this ad no good, this sales person no good,...). Info is every where and hard to refer. My tot is that forum is a good resource to share info and whether it can expand on that and benefit all new and old."

"That's what i tot. But in truth it is not. You still read a lot of such stories in the news. Young or old, rich or poor, educated or not. They still fall prey to succumb bag with no conscience. So i don't thing can discount it not happening."

"I just want to throw out a tot for us to consider whether we can pull our resources together to make this place better without certain painful experience thats all."

This and that are entirely different issues.

For that issue, the seller is willing to sell at a lower price. But in this case, this is blatantly copying without permission. Both are separated entities, oldsport. It's like comparing apple with orange. Hence, your defense here is invalid, as far as I am concerned, my learned friend

[vellefire]

Ten10, I support original product.

[Oceanklassik]

errr.. can we know who this person (the 'culprit') is?

[Zhi_Peng]

Did he posted up for sale? I dun see any similar watch box posted up for sale.

[TanWL]

May I know how do you propose ten10 can claim the lost as it seem that you know how? It would be good to provide practical steps than empty talk.

This is for your reading pleasure "http://diy.sg-roc.com/".

where his sale? got link to show? you the manufacturer and u designed it, than you have all the rights to claim your loss.

[triton]

let's wait for TS to provide more information. there is no point discussing about this without any further knowledge.

[wolfeyes1974]

Did he posted up for sale? I dun see any similar watch box posted up for sale.

someone just showing off his toy box...i didn't see any posting of any intended sale here or in the snapshot posted by ten10.

[louie]

Not cool at all

who is this "guy" that admitted your design is good?? I just unfriended at least 50 fb friends today because of this thread! I felt my privacy was compromised again. I truly apologetic to those whom i unfriended for nothing they never done but i felt insecure with my personal info been discussed and my friend's photo been posted here in a public forum.

Was it a copied design, no not in my opinion. There are too many differences between this 2 boxes. What are similar are the strap holder straps and the pocket. If this is an intended replication than i say the factory done a horrible job. My friends here and fb know those watches in the photo not mine, so as the box. It was just a photo taken by my friend and i shared it on my fb with my friends, and now it is showing up here openly and I'm maligned for a "copy cat"?

Like i pmed you last night, you could have contacted me via pm in question of your box design been replicated and put on sale but you didn't. You know who this photo belong to, but you did not contact me. Instead you choose to start a thread here and posted my photo.

I bet you remembered and know me but why start a thread like this? Publicity?? or another way of marketing your product?

My advice to you as a member here, don't be afraid of competitors most businesses have competitors. If i have all the luxury time here i would rather spend it building rapport with the clients in your signature. Fyi, some of the clients in your signature they are my clients too.

[ten10]

Firstly, a seller posted the thread here

This seller didnt show any additional fotos of the interior. So someone helped me request some fotos from seller and I have it with me. I noticed how the seller 'hides' the top cover and reveals only portions of the interior. I can still see my copied design there. (I will upload it in my next post.)

Then I received a PM from another nick that says he/she wants me to listen to the explaination...so I'm graciously waiting for this.

Questions:-
a) Are these two nicks related? Clones?
b) Why do they want to sell a copied product...especially in the same forum?
c) Why doesnt he provide full fotos of the product he's selling in that post?

I have many more questions that I wish to confront him/her with...but for now, this would suffice.

Note:- The foto shown in my first post was taken from his facebook.

[watch_r]

To the TS, I know you started blog on DIY and start criticize/revealed how No good other watch winder are.
My friend (not Bro Louise) who had factory manufacture furniture, so together we had decided to manufacture this box just to see what is the cost here, and to our surprise this was a whopping profit margin almost a 400% can anyone imagine here, even Rolex/Panerai watches does not have this kind of profit margin. There is no wonder why u dont have a proper job and full time doing this, where people like us have to suffer with bosses just to earn few Ks a month. I admit the process of making the box is long, but actual manhour on it is only about a day, you can earn 300$ in a day, why do you still need a job for?
You should have give friendly price to the Bro here, instead you're using the trust that community have in you, to mark up the price sky high. Even famous box marker Rainer don't sell so expensive.

We only made 2 boxes, one for me and one for him, he decided not to use the box, thus me posting up for sale, this was never meant to be mass production for sale but we might consider doing it since the profit is damn good, but rest assure it will not be 400% profit.

You should have send me a pm, and we could have settle this graciously instead you started a war but crying father crying mother here.

Since you want to create a war here, you can rest assure I will forward your comments to the watch winder owner, he can start a lawsuit with you anytime.

I will withdraw the sale of the watch box, moderator could kindly help to close the thread.

I'm Sorry to have dragged Bro louise into this, pls rest assure the 2 Nick's are 2 different person.

[watch_r]

Answer to your question.

1. 2 nicks from 2 person

2. It was created for personal used, and to see how high is your profit margin

3. REASON simple, to prevent what we have here

Firstly, a seller posted the thread here

This seller didnt show any additional fotos of the interior. So someone helped me request some fotos from seller and I have it with me. I noticed how the seller 'hides' the top cover and reveals only portions of the interior. I can still see my copied design there. (I will upload it in my next post.)

Then I received a PM from another nick that says he/she wants me to listen to the explaination...so I'm graciously waiting for this.

Questions:-
a) Are these two nicks related? Clones?
b) Why do they want to sell a copied product...especially in the same forum?
c) Why doesnt he provide full fotos of the product he's selling in that post?

I have many more questions that I wish to confront him/her with...but for now, this would suffice.

Note:- The foto shown in my first post was taken from his facebook.

[triton]

reference to this thread (after looking @ other sales threads) which you have withdrawn, i would take it that the interior is what thread starter is referring to.

the words used is similar design and i have to agree that apart from some changes here and there, it is almost looks the same in terms of concept. i also noticed that some members have asked questions with regards to the boxes which you may have politely chose to ignore answer them. since you can post pictures in this forum, why not post interior as well since you know how to upload in the first place? is there any reasons why it cannot be loaded @ the same time or perhaps later when members ask questions?

you mention that your friend has a furniture manufacturer which means these boxes can be manufacture in large scale @ low cost. as far as i know, the boxes made by ten10 are of limited numbers. if he can make profit of 400 from 1 box, and as a furniture manufacturer, of course you have the equipment and material (assuming that both you and ten10 use the same type of wood and material) to make them @ even lower cost which will definitely means more than 400 profit.

another point i like to know is that how do you know that ten10 makes 400 from 1 box? are you aware of the type of wood used? the type of material used for interior? i am not a carpenter by trade, so i cannot comment so much but i do know that there are different grades of wood used.

remember that you state in the thread you made 10 of these boxes for sale. not just 2 only.

do note that if TS or yourself want to start a war here, it will not be tolerated by the forum administration, moderators and admin.

let's stick to the fact of this thread and not discuss about other issues.

thank you.

I was surprised that it has a similar design as the one pictured below.


I have put it up for sale here in this forum. See post.

Here’s the photo of the ‘replica’ box in his facebook.

To the TS, I know you started blog on DIY and start criticize/revealed how No good other watch winder are.

We only made 2 boxes, one for me and one for him, he decided not to use the box, thus me posting up for sale, this was never meant to be mass production for sale but we might consider doing it since the profit is damn good, but rest assure it will not be 400% profit.

My friend (not Bro Louise) who had factory manufacture furniture, so together we had decided to manufacture this box just to see what is the cost here, and to our surprise this was a whopping profit margin almost a 400%

Since you want to create a war here, you can rest assure I will forward your comments to the watch winder owner, he can start a lawsuit with you anytime.

I will withdraw the sale of the watch box, moderator could kindly help to close the thread.

I'm Sorry to have dragged Bro louise into this, pls rest assure the 2 Nick's are 2 different person.

[watch_r]

I'm sure one of the main objectives of the forum is to provide good services products for members here.
There are tons of boxes with much cheaper price in eBay, and you might find one similar to yours and you could be the copy cat of that design, only main coSt component is the shipping due to weight of the box, this is beyond control of the oversea seller.
But here seller has the control, but he choose to price it to include the shipping cost if brought from oversea.

[watch_r]

Since Where is my post I mentioned 10 boxes for sale?